Root Cause of Sex Abuse Crisis

[PNEUMA]

Maybe the root cause is sexual immaturity ?

[Katerini]

Originally Posted by Guyonthestreet

The operative word is root.

Homosexuality is not at the root of the current sex abuse scandals.

However much some catholic bishops clergy and laity would conveniently like that to be the case.

Agreed.

The root of the current sex abuse scandals is twofold:

1) Atheist priests
2) Disciplinary inertia when dealing with the above.

[Inhimthroughher]

Originally Posted by Guyonthestreet

Well, the John Jay report established that 19.1% of the victims of clerical abuse were females.

Almost one fifth.

Hardly an exception don't you think?

And that was just in the United States.

That means 80% of the offenders were homosexual. Pretty significant don't you think

[Inhimthroughher]

Homosexuality is disordered. To participate in that lifestyle is deviant. Why would you want a person who lives a deviant disordered life, or who has disordered sexual desires around children? Not all who are sexual disorederd are homosexuals but all homosexuals are sexually disordered.

People need to see homosexuality for what it is.

[Soutane]

Originally Posted by PNEUMA

So, should all homosexual priests get fired ? How many do you think there are ?

Would you READ ALL my posts before saying something so presumptuous.You embarrass yourself.

[Guyonthestreet]

Originally Posted by Inhimthroughher

That means 80% of the offenders were homosexual.

Wrong conclusion.

[Soutane]

Originally Posted by Guyonthestreet

The operative word is root.

Homosexuality is not at the root of the current sex abuse scandals.

However much some catholic bishops clergy and laity would conveniently like that to be the case.

The ROOT cause is sin as expressed in homosexual hebephiliac abuse of young men and adolescent boys.A percentage of homosexuals are afflicted with this as a percentage of heterosexuals are afflicted with pedophilia.You keep denying the evidence and repeating your mantra without offering a scintilla of evidence that it is anything BUT the root cause.

[Soutane]

Originally Posted by Guyonthestreet

Wrong conclusion.

And how do your BASELESS and NON-EVIDENTARY ejaculations contribute to this debate?If I were your grade eight teacher you would get a failing grade in debate.Contribute something other than,"No,it isn't"

[Soutane]

Originally Posted by Katerini

Agreed.

The root of the current sex abuse scandals is twofold:

1) Atheist priests
2) Disciplinary inertia when dealing with the above.

Proof in the form of citation,attestation or corroboration, please otherwise this is mere opinion or speculation

I know PLENTY of athiests who would never dream of molesting a child,boy,man or woman.Your statement is a calumny against athiests everywhere

[Soutane]

Originally Posted by LCMS_No_More

And the solution to the problem is?

Why is so much time and effort expended on blaming the homos for all these problems?

Is there an ulterior motive for blaming the homos for the scandals? What could that motive possibly be?

After all, I'm tired of seeing "The homos did it!" and no positive solutions brought forth to prevent this in the future. As a same-sex attracted person, I had nothing to do with what happened and want nothing to do with it. I'm shocked and appalled by the whole mess, but this continual, unceasing, unqualified "The HOMOS did it!" is starting to really grate on the nerves and is starting to look like a personal attack on all homosexual (gay or non-gay) persons in the Church.

So, what's up!?

Read my posts!I'm not blaming all "homos" as you so indelicately put it.I'm blaming those homosexuals(a distinct) minority who suffer from hebephilia-I have defended homosexual priests who do not suffer from this disorder and maintain their chastity.Being homosexual or suffering from SSA is NOT A SIN,but acting on it IS,especially if the victim is juvenile.Heterosexual priests who cannot keep it in their cassocks are JUST AS CULPABLE.It grates on MY nerves when people make assumptions about ME-that I'm some sort of slavering "queer"hater.That is a MORTAL sin.Not yours-mine.

[Guyonthestreet]

Originally Posted by Soutane

And how do your BASELESS and NON-EVIDENTARY ejaculations contribute to this debate?If I were your grade eight teacher you would get a failing grade in debate.Contribute something other than,"No,it isn't"

No.






















The evidence of my position is all there for the taking - it just requires a little research on the part of anyone interested.

Empirical research divested of hidden agendas and psychiatrists on retainers by Bishops councils.

And that empiricall research, peer reviewed and published in august publications, clearly indicates that paedophilia is NOT linked to homosexuality.

As I'm not in 8th grade, and I'm taking a wild guess you're not either, I'll let you do the research.

If you're interested enough to find views that contradict you're own comfy world view.

[Soutane]

Originally Posted by Guyonthestreet

No.

Repeat after me it's not pedophelia.............................. ...




















The evidence of my position is all there for the taking - it just requires a little research on the part of anyone interested.

Empirical research divested of hidden agendas and psychiatrists on retainers by Bishops councils.

And that empiricall research, peer reviewed and published in august publications, clearly indicates that paedophilia is NOT linked to homosexuality.

As I'm not in 8th grade, and I'm taking a wild guess you're not either, I'll let you do the research.

If you're interested enough to find views that contradict you're own comfy world view.

[Soutane]

I'll let your emoticons do the speaking for you.I repeat if you want to debate in the bigs provide,citation,attestation,etc.otherwi se it's just your easily dismissed opinion.Do you seriously expect me to do your work for you?I wouldn't throw around too many aspertions about"comfy worldviews"when you cannot,willnot support your own posits and arguementation.It's much easier to resort to the good old lazy ad hominum.Ta-Ta,GOTS..

[Katerini]

Originally Posted by Soutane

Proof in the form of citation,attestation or corroboration, please otherwise this is mere opinion or speculation

I know PLENTY of athiests who would never dream of molesting a child,boy,man or woman.Your statement is a calumny against athiests everywhere

Really Soutane, my remark is not as you claim "a calumny against atheists eveywhere (as if atheism were some great prize to be defended )", any more than those Catholic priests who have molested are a calumny against the great bulk of Catholic priests who aren't molesters.

An ordained priest who sexually molests his flock is most definitely an atheist who does not believe in God, else he would have the love of Our Lord in him, and would be incapable of oppressing anyone in such a manner.These priests do not fear divine retribution, nor the scandals they leave in their wake.

These men are unholy, unchristian, atheist. Their mere presence scandalizes the faithful.
They are enemies of the Church, and should be jettisoned quickly when they are found.

[Guyonthestreet]

Originally Posted by Soutane

.Do you seriously expect me to do your work for you?

But you want me to do your work for you

I've looked up and read the research and work by people like J H Krystal, J Cantor, G Northoff and others.

I did that all by myself.

I didnt need to be spoonfed.

If you're interested, look up the research that contradicts your ''definitive'' view that homosexuality is the root casue of the current swathe of abuses in the church.

If you only want to take a one sided view, so be it.

I'm not bothered either way.