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Old May 11, '10, 4:26 pm
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Pope's visit to Portgual may shed light on Third Secret of Fatima

"The Pope will travel to Portugal this week amid hopes that he might shed light on one of the Catholic Church's most intriguing mysteries – the so-called Third Secret of Fatima"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...of-Fatima.html

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Old May 11, '10, 4:32 pm
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That article had an awful bias Its "cult"? He does know that people who believe in Fatima are still part of the Catholic religion, right? And what was up with the "so-called third secret" line? I get the impression that the article was written by an atheist trying to be objective without knowing too much about Fatima. He gives no concrete quotes or evidence that the reason the Pope is going to Fatima is to shed light on the third secret. Bad article.
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Old May 11, '10, 4:35 pm
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That article had an awful bias Its "cult"? He does know that people who believe in Fatima are still part of the Catholic religion, right? And what was up with the "so-called third secret" line? I get the impression that the article was written by an atheist trying to be objective without knowing too much about Fatima. He gives no concrete quotes or evidence that the reason the Pope is going to Fatima is to shed light on the third secret. Bad article.
I noticed the language, too.

But here's a transcript of remarks already made by Pope Benedict at Fatima. (See near end of page):

http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.or...o.asp?c=391999

And here's an AP video clip showing where the Pope made the comments, with Cardinal Bertone standing behind him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as8h0...layer_embedded
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Old May 11, '10, 8:09 pm
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Thanks VitaminC.

Hey, it can't hurt. I think that every Catholic on that day should pray the rosary.
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Old May 12, '10, 9:07 pm
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A cult? That's it, the Telegraph has lost all credibility for not, you know, STUDYING!!

Anyway, as a Portuguese Canadian, I'd like to say go Pope Benny!
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Old May 13, '10, 9:02 am
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"cult"? He does know that people who believe in Fatima are still part of the Catholic religion, right?
I would attribute that to a translation from the Portuguese that was too direct. I don't believe the word has quite the same negative connotations in Portuguese as in English.
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Old May 13, '10, 10:04 am
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This is from the website of the shrine, in broken English:
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13-10-1930 - By the Official 1 ester "Divine Providence´´. the Bishop of Leiria declares the Apparitions worthy of belief and authorizes the cultus of Our Lady of Fatima.
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Old May 13, '10, 12:08 pm
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I would attribute that to a translation from the Portuguese that was too direct. I don't believe the word has quite the same negative connotations in Portuguese as in English.
That is very true.

My parish has a list of what they call "Devotions" that include Our Lady of Guadalupe (we have many Hispanics) as well as Our Lady of Fatima and St. Anthony (we have many Portuguese).

In Portugal this is the sense that "culto" is used--a devotion.

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Old May 13, '10, 7:00 pm
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Even so, this is bad journalism. They mistranlsted the Portuguese word for "cult" so that English speakers would think it meant a radical religious sect.

I'm still not happy with that article, but it's good news if the Pope is going to try andshed light on the third secret at Fatima.
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Old May 14, '10, 2:25 pm
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Am I the only Catholic--born to it and now mid 60s--who is uneasy about all this Secret stuff?
To me , it reduces our Faith to a superstitious cult especially when we hear that Our Lady is supposed to have said that if Russia isn't dedicated to her the world will be destroyed. Can anyone imagine the down to earth, resilient, kind, merciful Mother of Christ really threatening us in this way? Are we to believe that destruction will follow if such a dedication is not enacted? This is surely a belief more worthy to the followers of Baal than to Catholicism
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Old May 14, '10, 2:29 pm
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Our Lady is not threatening us; that's sort of like Jesus telling us that if we don't stop committing mortal sins, we'll go to Hell. She's trying to save us.
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I just heard on the Catholic Radio Station in my area that tomorrow they will have a guest that might shed some light on the third secret controversy. He seemed to hint at the fact that althought the third secret was revealed it might not have been revealed in its entirety. Either there might be 2 parts to it or there might be in fact a "fourth" secret. Now........don't jump all over me, as I am sure there are people that are adamatley convinced that we now know everything there is to know. And maybe we do, but I will be listening to this Dr.(I believe Drew said "Dr.) tomorrow.

I read on the fatima.org website that there was evidence that the secret (if it has not already been revealed) didn't have much to do with any kind of annihalation, but with a profound crisis of faith within the Church.

As for me, I am at this point neutral on this issue......it's a wait and see kind of thing.
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I just heard on the Catholic Radio Station in my area that tomorrow they will have a guest that might shed some light on the third secret controversy. He seemed to hint at the fact that althought the third secret was revealed it might not have been revealed in its entirety. Either there might be 2 parts to it or there might be in fact a "fourth" secret. Now........don't jump all over me, as I am sure there are people that are adamatley convinced that we now know everything there is to know. And maybe we do, but I will be listening to this Dr.(I believe Drew said "Dr.) tomorrow.

I read on the fatima.org website that there was evidence that the secret (if it has not already been revealed) didn't have much to do with any kind of annihalation, but with a profound crisis of faith within the Church.

As for me, I am at this point neutral on this issue......it's a wait and see kind of thing.
As I am sure that this will be on while I'm at work,would someone be so kind as to give me a heads up (and a link, if possible) 10 minutes or so before the show airs?

Barring that, a 1-2 sentence synopsis?

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Our Lady is not threatening us; that's sort of like Jesus telling us that if we don't stop committing mortal sins, we'll go to Hell. She's trying to save us.

And the good will have to suffer with the bad via chastisements here on Earth. She predicted the First World War would end, but if men did not stop offending God, then a worse one would follow.

I see it as parent(s) warning of the consequences of bad behavior if you didn't put it to a halt.

God is all Merciful but He is all Just as well.
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Old May 25, '10, 11:22 pm
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FYI, the term "cult" is actually correct.

Definition one reads, "a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies."

The problem is that we hear a lot more about false cults that true ones.
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