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Old Apr 2, '05, 7:59 am
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Question Was Pope John Paul I cremated?

Was Pope John Paul I cremated? If so, why on Earth was he?
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Old Apr 2, '05, 8:34 am
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Since the Church has removed the prohibition against cremation (in the '60's I think), a prohibition stemming from the denial of the resurrection of the body, why would it matter?

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Old Apr 2, '05, 8:43 am
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Since the Church has removed the prohibition against cremation (in the '60's I think), a prohibition stemming from the denial of the resurrection of the body, why would it matter?

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Well the Church allowed it because so many Catholics were already doing it, but it is not considered the norm for a Catholic funeral. Why would a pope wish for a new age procedure like this [one rooted in Paganism]? It seems so odd.

Or was it decided for him? If so, why? What was the rationale?

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Old Apr 2, '05, 9:16 am
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The church removed the prohibition not because so many were doing it, but because the heresy involved with cremation was no longer widespread. Cremation was used as a direct denial of the resurrection of the body.

Today, as long as the intent is not to deny Catholic teachings, deny that a cremated body cannot be resurrected, there is no reason not to be cremated. I would imagine if he were cremated, he had to have made the decision himself. Don't know though. I also do not know why he chose to be cremated. Maybe to visibly show the churches rule change. Norm or not, it is licit.

And cremation rules and practices are just that practices, not dogma. Therefore, change can happen.

Just to make sure, I did a search on Ask the apologist. This is what I found.
http://forums.catholic.com/search.php?searchid=646540

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Old Apr 2, '05, 9:49 am
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The church removed the prohibition not because so many were doing it, but because the heresy involved with cremation was no longer widespread. Cremation was used as a direct denial of the resurrection of the body.

Today, as long as the intent is not to deny Catholic teachings, deny that a cremated body cannot be resurrected, there is no reason not to be cremated. I would imagine if he were cremated, he had to have made the decision himself. Don't know though. I also do not know why he chose to be cremated. Maybe to visibly show the churches rule change. Norm or not, it is licit.

And cremation rules and practices are just that practices, not dogma. Therefore, change can happen.

Just to make sure, I did a search on Ask the apologist. This is what I found.
http://forums.catholic.com/search.php?searchid=646540

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Yes, yes, yes

I know the ancient pagan practice of cremation is now "licit."

My question is why did a Pope feel the need to have his body burned up?

If the decision was not his, but made on his behalf, then why?

I am looking for a specific historical answer relating to JPI in 1978....not excuses as to why we can now get burned up instead of buried.

Thanks for you insights however.
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Old Apr 2, '05, 10:02 am
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I am looking for a specific historical answer relating to JPI in 1978....not excuses as to why we can now get burned up instead of buried.
Sorry, but you seem to be trying to justify your opposition to cremation.

The point is it doesn't matter if his body was burned up or buried. Neither denies the resurrection unless that is the specific intent.

Have fun looking.

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Old Apr 2, '05, 10:24 am
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Yes, yes, yes

I know the ancient pagan practice of cremation is now "licit."

My question is why did a Pope feel the need to have his body burned up?

If the decision was not his, but made on his behalf, then why?

I am looking for a specific historical answer relating to JPI in 1978....not excuses as to why we can now get burned up instead of buried.

Thanks for you insights however.
Maybe he just wanted to. The only reason it was banned in the first place was because specifci groups of people were using it to deny the Resurrection of the Body.
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Old Apr 2, '05, 11:05 am
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Was Pope John Paul I cremated? If so, why on Earth was he?
Maybe because he was actually murdered (as some have claimed) and the murderers wanted to destory the evidence?

But I have to admit, I did not know he had been cremated. I did a search and did find one statement saying he was cremated, but nothing else.
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Old Apr 2, '05, 11:16 am
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While the Church permits cremation restrained by some conditions, I believe she still prefers traditional Christian burial. When cremation takes place the remains are also to be buried as opposed to scattered.
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Old Apr 2, '05, 6:57 pm
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Sorry, but you seem to be trying to justify your opposition to cremation.

The point is it doesn't matter if his body was burned up or buried. Neither denies the resurrection unless that is the specific intent.

Have fun looking.

Wow lady,

I can't be more clear in what I am asking (which, incidently--you keep responding to, despite the fact that you don't seem to know the answer).

1) Was JPI in fact cremated?
2) Was it his decision?
3) Was his motivation known?

If you don't know the answer to one of those questions, then I see little point in your repeatedly responding.

Thanks and God bless.
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Old Apr 3, '05, 1:14 am
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The dude was Pope for a month the church didn't want to spend all money on such a shoddy papacy.
THis is like a guy purchasing a hughe life insurance policy and kicking it the next day. The insureance people just don't want to pay everything up. I imagine a huge bill for a traditional burial place in Saint Peters. There wasn't exactly a lot of mourning for they guy personally it was more like a state of schock and like what the heck?
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Go to www.johnpaul1.com and click on Biography.Then scroll to bottom of page and see a picture of his tomb.Cremated????
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Go to www.johnpaul1.com and click on Biography.Then scroll to bottom of page and see a picture of his tomb.Cremated????
Thank you for posting this link.
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Old Apr 3, '05, 10:17 am
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Old Apr 3, '05, 11:54 am
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The dude was Pope for a month the church didn't want to spend all money on such a shoddy papacy.
THis is like a guy purchasing a hughe life insurance policy and kicking it the next day. The insureance people just don't want to pay everything up. I imagine a huge bill for a traditional burial place in Saint Peters. There wasn't exactly a lot of mourning for they guy personally it was more like a state of schock and like what the heck?
1) He wasn't a dude - he was a duly elected Roman Pontiff.

2)His papacy was brief, not shoddy.

3)He had a traditonal papal funeral service and was mourned by those who knew him , loved him and family members still survive.

4) Noted for his personal humility, large smile and kindness towards others. He was a person of simple tastes and simple pleasures. His fellow cardinals thought enough of him to elect him.

5) Sometimes it pays to proof read what we are going to post before we do it.
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