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Old Apr 3, '05, 10:33 pm
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Having never been through a papal death before, the past few days have been emotionally and spiritually intense for many of us. As a member of the media, I naturally wanted to tune in to see how the networks and their shows are covering John Paul II's passing. I came across this interview with Father Richard McBrien, a priest who is also a Notre Dame historian. It was this particular part of the interview that upset me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in685130.shtml

While the pope is the last absolute monarch on earth, John Paul II succeeded in becoming the symbol of freedom around the world. But he held fast on doctrine -- birth control, celibacy and women priests.

But McBrien believes these are relatively minor issues. “Look, women are gonna be ordained, that’s the way history is moving. I mean, it’s gonna be a non-issue pretty soon. Celibacy will go because we’re gonna run out of priests if we don’t change that. Those are really small issues,” says McBrien.

I don't understand how McBrien can possibly, honestly believe that birth control, celibacy and the ordination of women as priests are minor issues. John Paul dedicated an entire encyclical to birth control and celibacy. More to the point, he effectively closed the discussion on the ordination of women. I don't recall any other issue the Holy Father actually closing for discussion. Although I am not a priest or a historian, I fail to understand how McBrien can logically conclude how the Church will eventually "cave in" on these minor issues.

“The real big issue is, how do you make a world which sees net worth and the gathering of creature comforts and powers and possessions as kind of the norm of happiness? How do you get a world like that to say, ‘That fellow with a black face, that gay over there, that homeless person, these are your brothers and sisters, we’re all one human family.’ Birth control, ordination of women, celibacy, they are fly specs on the windowpane compared with that kind of challenge that a new pope will have.”

I can understand McBrien's concern for social equality and social justice, which are both wholly consistant with the Catholic faith. Yet I cannot agree with his statement that birth control, celibacy, and the ordination of women are minor issues in comparison with social equality and justice, perhaps simply because they are not minor issues at all, whether by themselves or in comparison to others.

Just thought I'd throw this out there to see what you all think.
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Old Apr 3, '05, 10:36 pm
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Having never been through a papal death before, the past few days have been emotionally and spiritually intense for many of us. As a member of the media, I naturally wanted to tune in to see how the networks and their shows are covering John Paul II's passing. I came across this interview with Father Richard McBrien, a priest who is also a Notre Dame historian. It was this particular part of the interview that upset me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in685130.shtml

While the pope is the last absolute monarch on earth, John Paul II succeeded in becoming the symbol of freedom around the world. But he held fast on doctrine -- birth control, celibacy and women priests.

But McBrien believes these are relatively minor issues. “Look, women are gonna be ordained, that’s the way history is moving. I mean, it’s gonna be a non-issue pretty soon. Celibacy will go because we’re gonna run out of priests if we don’t change that. Those are really small issues,” says McBrien.

I don't understand how McBrien can possibly, honestly believe that birth control, celibacy and the ordination of women as priests are minor issues. John Paul dedicated an entire encyclical to birth control and celibacy. More to the point, he effectively closed the discussion on the ordination of women. I don't recall any other issue the Holy Father actually closing for discussion. Although I am not a priest or a historian, I fail to understand how McBrien can logically conclude how the Church will eventually "cave in" on these minor issues.

“The real big issue is, how do you make a world which sees net worth and the gathering of creature comforts and powers and possessions as kind of the norm of happiness? How do you get a world like that to say, ‘That fellow with a black face, that gay over there, that homeless person, these are your brothers and sisters, we’re all one human family.’ Birth control, ordination of women, celibacy, they are fly specs on the windowpane compared with that kind of challenge that a new pope will have.”

I can understand McBrien's concern for social equality and social justice, which are both wholly consistant with the Catholic faith. Yet I cannot agree with his statement that birth control, celibacy, and the ordination of women are minor issues in comparison with social equality and justice, perhaps simply because they are not minor issues at all, whether by themselves or in comparison to others.

Just thought I'd throw this out there to see what you all think.

Notre Dame fired the wrong guy when they ousted Ty Willingham. That's what I think.
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Old Apr 3, '05, 10:38 pm
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Well, celibacy of the priesthood is a minor issue compared to the others listed, because it could be changed the day the new Pope is elected, if not before. Justice, birth control, ordanation of women, these are things that will never change in the Church. Social equality is something that is being developed in understanding now, so it's hard to nail down, but it also comes from the deposit of faith. The Catholic Church already has non-celibate priests, however, both in the Latin Rite as the exception, and in some Eastern Rites as the norm.

Realistically speaking, the issue of the celibate priesthood borders on non-issue because the Catholic Church doesn't have an across-the-board rule about it; it's left up to the Churches as a matter of internal discipline.
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Old Apr 3, '05, 10:50 pm
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That's right, I remember. Ty never did get a fair shake with the Fightin' Irish did he?

Oh well. Maybe Charlie Weis will have a more positive experience there.
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Old Apr 3, '05, 10:54 pm
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ABC only brings dissident and heterodox members of the Church, such as McBrien and someone form America magazine. Then again, there's no such thing as liberal bias in the media and ABC even cleared Dan Rather of any liberal bias before ousting him... Yeah, right!

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Old Apr 3, '05, 11:13 pm
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Oh boy! My favorite priest from our University was on 60 minutes!

Fr. McBrien is a disgrace to our University. I really wish I could oust him and his heretical ideas. I can't believe Notre Dame allows him to stick around. McBrien is able to get rid off the Orthodox priests in the Theology department that stand up to his Unorthodox teachings. I am ashamed to have him affiliated with the school I attend.

I saw his comments on ordaining women happening soon and trivializing the pope. He really upset me watching the TV. Does he not understand that issue cannot change? I can't wait till I eventually become a priest and do my duty to serve the faithfull and bring them to the Truth through Orthodoxy.
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Old Apr 3, '05, 11:15 pm
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Oh boy! My favorite priest from our University was on 60 minutes!

Fr. McBrien is a disgrace to our University. I really wish I could oust him and his heretical ideas. I can't believe Notre Dame allows him to stick around. McBrien is able to get rid off the Orthodox priests in the Theology department that stand up to his Unorthodox teachings. I am ashamed to have him affiliated with the school I attend.

from what I understand, you are not in the minority among your Catholic classmates about your feelings of McBrien's teachings.
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Oh boy! My favorite priest from our University was on 60 minutes!

Fr. McBrien is a disgrace to our University. I really wish I could oust him and his heretical ideas. I can't believe Notre Dame allows him to stick around. McBrien is able to get rid off the Orthodox priests in the Theology department that stand up to his Unorthodox teachings. I am ashamed to have him affiliated with the school I attend.

I saw his comments on ordaining women happening soon and trivializing the pope. He really upset me watching the TV. Does he not understand that issue cannot change? I can't wait till I eventually become a priest and do my duty to serve the faithfull and bring them to the Truth through Orthodoxy.
Look at this this way - CBS is irrelevant to news and so is McBrien. It ws a good match. Why aren't you watching Fox - they've had more good Catholics on as commentators than I've seen as a group in ages.ers, Fessio, Ray Arroyo, the editor of Natl Catholic Register, Bishop O'Donoghe from Atlanta, editor of Crisis, Mike Novak, Fr. Vince O'Brien., Bill Bennett, Bill O'Donohue from Catholic League..a fantastic lineup.
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Look at this this way - CBS is irrelevant to news and so is McBrien. It ws a good match. Why aren't you watching Fox - they've had more good Catholics on as commentators than I've seen as a group in ages.ers, Fessio, Ray Arroyo, the editor of Natl Catholic Register, Bishop O'Donoghe from Atlanta, editor of Crisis, Mike Novak, Fr. Vince O'Brien., Bill Bennett, Bill O'Donohue from Catholic League..a fantastic lineup.
I was in my dorm room and we don't have cable or the dish. I would have had to go downstairs but I wanted to see what Fr. McBriend would say next. He never surprises me.
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He never surprises me.
He's been consistently wrong for over 30 years and it hasn't stopped him yet. I use him as a bellweather. Whatever he is for, I know I'm against.
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Did you all hear the story about Cardinal Arinze's speech at a Jesuit University (Georgetown) and how there was great outcrying against what he said. What exactly did he say? "Families are important. We need to filter out the many things that are hurting us including contraception, abortion, divorce, and the lies of homosexual lifestyle promotion." Ok, maybe not EXACTLY but you all get the picture. Perfectly in line with Catholic doctrine, at a Catholic college, massive protest and outcry. The reason I bring this up is because the ND priest reminds me of how rediculous the faculties of these "Catholic" Universities are.
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That's right, I remember. Ty never did get a fair shake with the Fightin' Irish did he?

Oh well. Maybe Charlie Weis will have a more positive experience there.
Charlie Wies has more common sense than this dissenting "priest".
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Old Apr 4, '05, 3:41 am
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My wife started a similar thread last night after watching the interview with Father O'Brien. I do not see any of the same names participating so take a look for some additional viewpoints:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=47549
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Old Apr 4, '05, 6:11 am
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My children were watching it because they are interested in learning about him. Well I had to explain to them why a Priest would be saying such nonsense.
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Ironic isn't it? CBS puts O'Brien on to criticize the Pope when the only criticism of the pope that is even remotely valid is the existence and continued employment of O'Brien himself.
 

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