Prophecies of St. Malachy - Page 5

HagiaSophia · #61 Apr 10, '05, 10:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Monicathree

HI all,

Isn't the church protected by the Holy Spirit of getting an evil or antichrist for pope. The lady I just sponsored for confirmation has been a little worried about this prophecy. I haven't really had time to look it up? Thanks in advance.

Well put her mind at ease; there is no Anti-Christ in the Malachy prophecy. St. Malachy merely listed in chronological order popes
that suceeed one another and gave symbols by which we could recognize them. Nothing anti-church in it. He was a gifted saint.

Piusx · #62 Apr 11, '05, 6:21 am

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Originally Posted by crimson dragon

The prophceies are false I heard, since no pope is ever allowed to take the name of "peter"

You dont know what could happen. Allowed or not allowed, worse things have happened in the church in the last 40 yrs, and just naming a man Peter II is not some sort of major sacrelidge is it? Look at female altar servers. That was not allowed for 1500 yrs and now it is, isnt it? Look at the destruction of the Latin Mass. I bet Pius X never thought that would ever happen.
Molesting little boys is against Catholic Doctrine and dicipline but ......Do you wish that I continue or do we have enough time and space here in this post???

Just because someone said they cannot name themselves Peter does not mean its false. What's in a name? The man could name himself Pope Jack and still be Peter the Roman in some other way!
It could all come about in a way or ways that we dont understand now, but will in the future. The best way to determine if a prophecy is true is if it comes to pass.

First of all Malachy was an Arch Bishop. 2nd, he was declared a saint. That does not make what he said 100% true, but it sure helps me in discerment.
I would tend to believe him over someone like Nostrodamus, Pat Robertson, or Jack Van Impe.

I mean....come on! Who would pay heed to anyone named Van Impe and his Wife Rexella?
What does that sound like?

They did not have a Ratzinger and a Congregation for the Doctirne of the faith to approve or disapprove the writings of Malachy back then. Pray, Trust in the Trinity, and hope.

According to what is said about the Olive Pope, he will only be Pope for a short time anyway, and we will all be back here posting again trying to figure out who Peter the Roman is.

What it all does is make a lot of people post a lot of things here. Like Chocolate in milk........we tend to stir it up.

PiuxX

**Ani Ibi** · #63 Apr 11, '05, 8:27 am

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Originally Posted by Piusx

What's in a name?...I mean....come on! Who would pay heed to anyone named Van Impe and his Wife Rexella?

maklavan · #64 Apr 12, '05, 7:35 am

St Malachy would be amazed to hear what he is supposed to have prophesied. the interpretation of his ideas is on a par with the rubbish propagated on the so-called Nostradamus prophecies.catholics do not pay attention to this malarchy.

HagiaSophia · #65 Apr 13, '05, 1:46 am

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Originally Posted by maklavan

St Malachy would be amazed to hear what he is supposed to have prophesied. the interpretation of his ideas is on a par with the rubbish propagated on the so-called Nostradamus prophecies.catholics do not pay attention to this malarchy.

You are not considered any less Catholic than anyone else here because you do not believe in them; others here OTOH are no less Catholic than yourself, because they do.

David Oatney · #66 Apr 13, '05, 7:11 am

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Originally Posted by HagiaSophia

You are not considered any less Catholic than anyone else here because you do not believe in them; others here OTOH are no less Catholic than yourself, because they do.

This is correct. We are free to embrace these prophecies or not to embrace them.

martino · #67 Apr 13, '05, 12:17 pm

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Originally Posted by HagiaSophia

I believe the Cardinal Primate of England, one of the electors in the upcoming conclave is of the Benedictine order. And to remind the author of your backquote, "glory of the olive" does not of itself mean that a present member of the Benedictines will be elected. It has several other possible meanings.

Has anyone mentioned the most obvious meaning for "glory of the olive"...how about Cardinal Martini? Not that I put much stock in the prophecy or the betting odds for the next pope, but interestingly enough Martini is listing being tied for the favorite on one of the betting sites.

What do you guys think about this or have you already discussed it?

jad93083 · #68 Apr 13, '05, 1:50 pm

From what I''ve read on EWTN, there has been no official pronouncement from the CDF concerning the propphecies of Malachy and that the prophecy's historical validity of St. Malachy's authorship is

Anywho, another point is prohecies of this sort are always so broad that the can easily be fulfilled just look at the potential meanings for the Olive Pope. Moreover, didn't Christ say, only my Father in heaven knows when the endtimes will arrive.

Just some thoughts

GO RATZY!!!!

HagiaSophia · #69 Apr 13, '05, 3:00 pm

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Originally Posted by martino

Has anyone mentioned the most obvious meaning for "glory of the olive"...how about Cardinal Martini? Not that I put much stock in the prophecy or the betting odds for the next pope, but interestingly enough Martini is listing being tied for the favorite on one of the betting sites.

What do you guys think about this or have you already discussed it?

Since martini's did not exist in Malachy's time somehow I doubt whether the drink manifested itself in his vision.

HagiaSophia · #70 Apr 13, '05, 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by jad93083

[font=Garamond][size=4]From what I''ve read on EWTN, there has been no official pronouncement from the CDF concerning the propphecies of Malachy and that the prophecy's historical validity of St. Malachy's authorship is

Anywho, another point is prohecies of this sort are always so broad that the can easily be fulfilled just look at the potential meanings for the Olive Pope. Moreover, didn't Christ say, only my Father in heaven knows when the endtimes will arrive.

I should think that the CDF would hardly rule on a prophecy which hasn't come to completion yet as to validity. Its validity an only be known upon its completion. And again, the church does not hold any Catholic to believing in visions, apparitions or messages. What the church has done is to tell us when there is no evidence of a supernatural happening at work via the people who get messages every 15 minutes .

The reason the Malachy prophecies have survived lo these many years is because they are quite explicit in their detail when the person is known.

**Friar David, O.Carm** · #71 Apr 15, '05, 4:05 pm

This "prophecy" was discussed on the local Catholic Radio Station today, the show was [i]Open Line[/], the host was Colin Donovan, the theology expert on the show who also answers questions at ETWN's Ask the Expert forum.

He stated that the "prophecy" appeared 3 centuries after the death of St Malachy. The the names matched up very well with all the popes before it was found and is very vague for every pope after. He also stated that the "prophecy" also does purport to give the names of all the popes, so according to it, there are only two popes left.

He stated that most historians doubt the authenticity of it. The Church does not attribute this "prophecy" to St Malachy.

So this "prophecy" is greatly in doubt.

dizzy_dave · #72 Apr 15, '05, 6:24 pm

I HEARD THIS ON THE RADIO TODAY TOO, THAT'S WHY I'M CHECKING IT OUT. SOUNDS INTERESTING, BUT ONCE A PERSON DOES SOME DIGGING IT SMELLS KINDA FUNNY.

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Originally Posted by ByzCath

This "prophecy" was discussed on the local Catholic Radio Station today, the show was [i]Open Line[/], the host was Colin Donovan, the theology expert on the show who also answers questions at ETWN's Ask the Expert forum.

He stated that the "prophecy" appeared 3 centuries after the death of St Malachy. The the names matched up very well with all the popes before it was found and is very vague for every pope after. He also stated that the "prophecy" also does purport to give the names of all the popes, so according to it, there are only two popes left.

He stated that most historians doubt the authenticity of it. The Church does not attribute this "prophecy" to St Malachy.

So this "prophecy" is greatly in doubt.

HagiaSophia · #73 Apr 16, '05, 12:47 am

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Originally Posted by dizzy_dave

I HEARD THIS ON THE RADIO TODAY TOO, THAT'S WHY I'M CHECKING IT OUT. SOUNDS INTERESTING, BUT ONCE A PERSON DOES SOME DIGGING IT SMELLS KINDA FUNNY.

Sounds as if they forgot to mention the other side of the coin; it was buried in the Vatican archives for some 400 years......which is another reason many believe it valid -- during that 400 years he was right on as well. Eveyr good writer and student of the prophecies that I've ever seen always offers both sides of the argument. You can believe it -- or not believe it.

HagiaSophia · #74 Apr 16, '05, 12:51 am

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Originally Posted by ByzCath

This "prophecy" was discussed on the local Catholic Radio Station today, the show was [i]Open Line[/], the host was Colin Donovan, the theology expert on the show who also answers questions at ETWN's Ask the Expert forum.

He stated that the "prophecy" appeared 3 centuries after the death of St Malachy. The the names matched up very well with all the popes before it was found and is very vague for every pope after. He also stated that the "prophecy" also does purport to give the names of all the popes, so according to it, there are only two popes left.

He stated that most historians doubt the authenticity of it. The Church does not attribute this "prophecy" to St Malachy.

So this "prophecy" is greatly in doubt.

I repeat:

"...And again, the church does not hold any Catholic to believing in visions, apparitions or messages. What the church has done is to tell us when there is no evidence of a supernatural happening at work via the people who get messages every 15 minutes ...."

I have never heard of any apparition or supernatural message which was not held in serious doubt by a great many people -- and some of them Catholic.

beverly30 · #75 Apr 18, '05, 7:20 am

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=50419

I was reading in this thread and church militant gave a really interesting, enlightening explanation (to me) of the foundation of the papacy in the bible.

The last two popes remaining in the prophecy of St. Malachy are "Glory of the Olive" and "Petrus Romanus" I believe.

In this thread the information given said that Peter, means rock, and also relates Christ/God to the rock. It also mentioned how the last place that the apostles went to pray together before Jesus dies was the Mt. of Olives. I don't know if these things correlate with each other, but when I read it it reminded me of this prophesy and possibly of how a birth could take place (with a death, and a new start), so I thought I'd share my thoughts.