NY Catholic Church rejects mosque sale plan

[curlycool89]

Originally Posted by PA650

I certainly believe the requirement that only a natural born citizen is eligible for the Office of the Presidency has nothing at all to do with the notion of xenophobia. Although I thought of concocting some sort of a rebuttal in the form of a diatribe regarding that particular requirement, yet due to the fact that you're not a citizen of the United States, I will instead post a wikipedia link pertaining to the issue of a natural born citizen of the United States. Thus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural..._United_States

I think you may have just proved my point. For some reason, me not being an American makes me second class and not worthy of an actual explanation.

[estesbob]

Originally Posted by curlycool89

I think you may have just proved my point. For some reason, me not being an American makes me second class and not worthy of an actual explanation.

Actually its becuase you are Canadian! <JUST KIDDING!>

[PA650]

Originally Posted by curlycool89

I think you may have just proved my point. For some reason, me not being an American makes me second class and not worthy of an actual explanation.

I agree that my response could be construed that way, albeit it wasn't suppose to. Frankly, I deduced that you may be unfamiliar with the particular reason the U.S. Constitution stipulates such a requirement, thus I posted a link that examines the notion of a natural born citizen clause.

To make things a little more concise:

... our constitution, in speaking of natural born citizens, uses no affirmative language to make them such, but only recognizes and reaffirms the universal principle, common to all nations, and as old as political society, that the people born in a country do constitute the nation, and, as individuals, are natural members of the body politic.[9][italics in original] 1862 U.S. Attorney General Edward Bates

Jihad Watch?

Perhaps you might have a somewhat more neutral source of information for this claim?
I think its a bit like getting information about the Catholic Church from CARM.

I work with what I have found to be quite factual over the years. The video regarding a discussion of the selling of the property found in the piece may alleviate any concerns you may have.

[curlycool89]

Originally Posted by PA650

I agree that my response could be construed that way, albeit it wasn't suppose to. Frankly, I deduced that you may be unfamiliar with the particular reason the U.S. Constitution stipulates such a requirement, thus I posted a link that examines the notion of a natural born citizen clause.

What about naturalized citizens though? Why should those who come to America in good faith and renounce other citizenships be automatically be classified as second class citizens? And yes, they are second class because by definition they are not given all the privileges of citizenship (including the ability to run for any political office).

The quote seems to be nothing more than "we were born here, therefore we're better than you". That seems very anachronistic for 21st century America.

Originally Posted by estesbob

Actually its becuase you are Canadian! <JUST KIDDING!>

I'm sorry, your response is not valid because it does not include a parallel response in French

[PA650]

Originally Posted by curlycool89

What about naturalized citizens though? Why should those who come to America in good faith and renounce other citizenships be automatically be classified as second class citizens? And yes, they are second class because by definition they are not given all the privileges of citizenship (including the ability to run for any political office).

The quote seems to be nothing more than "we were born here, therefore we're better than you". That seems very anachronistic for 21st century America.

From my understanding, an individual that has become a naturalized citizen is only unable to run for the President of the United States or Vice-President. All other offices are certainly open to that particular individual. Lastly, with the way the United States has been heading in recent decades, I am sure that little stipulation will be glossed over as the Federal Constitution is finally thrown in the trash. The very idea of a "Living Document" already treats the Federal Constitution as nothing more than some basic guidelines regarding the abilities of the Federal Government.

[StrawberryJam]

Originally Posted by Dee Dee King

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...s-mosque-plan/

A Staten Island Roman Catholic Church's board whose members include Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan backed out of a plan to sell a vacant convent to a Muslim organization on Thursday.

--ha ha. it's about time we stop pretending absolute religious freedom is a good thing.

There are numerous considerations that are taken into account in a real estate transaction.
Please do not be so hasty to draw conclusions in this way.

And, I am glad that you are not pretending to hide your personal worldview. You are fortunate you have the freedom to express such thoughts, no matter how offensive they may be.

[curlycool89]

Originally Posted by PA650

From my understanding, an individual that has become a naturalized citizen is only unable to run for the President of the United States or Vice-President. All other offices are certainly open to that particular individual.

So, what you're saying is analogues to saying that they can use the public washroom, but the "white's only" one is for white's only? Yes, that comparison was deliberate. It doesn't seem fair to say that they are barred from the highest offices in the land by virtue of their birth, but can be say the Chief Justice of SCOTUS. It seems to be the last holdover from America's isolationist days.

[StrawberryJam]

Originally Posted by curlycool89

So, what you're saying is analogues to saying that they can use the public washroom, but the "white's only" one is for white's only? Yes, that comparison was deliberate. It doesn't seem fair to say that they are barred from the highest offices in the land by virtue of their birth, but can be say the Chief Justice of SCOTUS. It seems to be the last holdover from America's isolationist days.

Now now. Let's not be so quick to judge another country from a view gained on a forum.
I too have wondered long and hard about some things I see happening in yours. Yet, I do not live there or have a full grasp of the situation to make the comment out loud. Not that I do about anything else really. But, you must realize that some of us have veterans in our families and take great offense to someone who does not live here to disparage us in any way shape or form. It's easier to take from a fellow american, and it's just not good manners to share opinions you hold the way you are doing it.

[Dee Dee King]

And, I am glad that you are not pretending to hide your personal worldview. You are fortunate you have the freedom to express such thoughts, no matter how offensive they may be.

what happened to these forums? i use to be with like minded folks. it seems the politically correct effeminate church is alive and well.

[StrawberryJam]

Originally Posted by Dee Dee King

what happened to these forums? i use to be with like minded folks. it seems the politically correct effeminate church is alive and well.

I'm sure there are many like minded folks as yourself here. Just in case you were wondering, I am Agnostic. So, fear not! Keep the opinions rolling, and I am sure you will find company that will join in and agree with you soon enough.

[Stylites]

Originally Posted by Dee Dee King

what happened to these forums? i use to be with like minded folks. it seems the politically correct effeminate church is alive and well.

Following the Gospel is the only requirement for Catholics, who need to be of a like-mind with Jesus Christ rather than with talk radio hosts. A person cannot serve two masters, one of which likes to throw out the words "effeminate" and "politically correct." Politics and hormones can have no place in furthering justice.

Condemning whole groups of people is a sin against justice. Maybe there are other forums out there who champion and celebrate the injustice of tribal justice, but these Catholic forums are not it. Good luck with your search for "like-minded" people.

[Dee Dee King]

Condemning whole groups of people is a sin against justice. Maybe there are other forums out there who champion and celebrate the injustice of tribal justice, but these Catholic forums are not it. Good luck with your search for "like-minded" people.

are you kidding me? who are you people? where are the catholics? isn't there a nice episcopalian forum you can go to.

[SalesianSDB]

Originally Posted by Dee Dee King

i think we shouldn't allow most muslims into our country. i see no reason to think that they will intergrate effectively and abandon hopes of sharia law and their sympathies to violence. i think 9-11 is reason enough to not let them in.

But can't we say the same thing about the person who killed "Dr." Tiller or bomb abortion clinics? Couldn't they be described as terrorists?

Or God forbid, a Christian tea party member does something radical and the tea party (which is mostly Christian) and Christians will be bashed and labeled as terrorists by this administration. And then, hey, no Christians come here.

I don't mean to equate killing a serial abortionist to killing millions of innocent people on 9-11, but I have heard people make the above argument...and we have to admit, the person who killed Tiller and bomb abortion clinics are WRONG.

I like to think of most Muslims as peaceful and moderate, but I don't know any or know much of their religion.

and if we are worried about sharia law, ban burkas!

[SalesianSDB]

Originally Posted by Stylites

Condemning whole groups of people is a sin against justice.

I agree. My biggest fear is that a tea part member does something radical and stupid and then all of us tea party-ers are demonized and called terrorists or whatever Janet Napolitano calls them.

[Dee Dee King]

But can't we say the same thing about the person who killed "Dr." Tiller or bomb abortion clinics? Couldn't they be described as terrorists?

if the muslims just blew up abortion clinics, i'd welcome them in.