62% of Catholics want change. - Page 8

Mayweather · #**106** Apr 18, '05, 4:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Nan S

Sorry, chumps, like it or leave it. The fastest-growing sectors are the ultra-orthodox (witha small O)

I love when people bring this up like it justifies anything. As if Islam and Mormonism never have enjoyed some "fast growth."

Ignatius · #**107** Apr 18, '05, 5:07 pm

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Originally Posted by ByzCath

I find it very humorous that Catholics in America think they are the Church.

There are far more Catholics worldwide than there are in America.

In fact that 60% of American Catholics represent only about 3% of the Catholics worldwide.

cursillo · #**108** Apr 18, '05, 5:39 pm

Tell the 62% that society does not dictate doctrine...doctrine dictates to society.

mtr01 · #**109** Apr 18, '05, 5:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Nan S

Sorry, chumps, like it or leave it. The fastest-growing sectors are the ultra-orthodox (witha small O)

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Originally Posted by Mayweather

I love when people bring this up like it justifies anything. As if Islam and Mormonism never have enjoyed some "fast growth."

You would be happier if the fastest growth was with heterodox groups?!?

Mayweather · #**110** Apr 18, '05, 6:37 pm

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Originally Posted by mtr01

You would be happier if the fastest growth was with heterodox groups?!?

no, i'd like it if people who dismiss others as "chumps" first learned to make a sound arguement

Almeria · #**111** Apr 18, '05, 6:41 pm

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Originally Posted by sdnewbie

K-McD,
I for one, love your sense of humor and it did bring a lot of good and interesting responses. I read it initially and was floored, but glad I read through all of the posts before adding my two cents. wow was i going to make that two cents multiply quickly.

I loved the OP as well. And I'm rather surprised at the number of people who didn't understand that it was a joke. And I thought my reading comprehension was bad.

bcuster · #**112** Apr 18, '05, 7:34 pm

[quote=K-McD]News Flash

[color=Blue]A new poll shows that 62% of all American Catholics want the next pope to relax the Church's position on the natural laws. "Freedom isn't freedom if we are continuously being suppressed by these laws," says Renee Nosalot.

Thank you, God, that American Catholics are only a small percentage of the World's Catholics.

Catholic
Bonnie

Nan S · #**113** Apr 19, '05, 4:03 pm

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no, i'd like it if people who dismiss others as "chumps" first learned to make a sound arguement

I wasn't "arguing" anything. Just making a statement of fact. The fastest-growing dioceses in the Catholic church, especially in America, are the ones led by conservative, traditional, loyal-to-the-pope bishops and priests. Seminary enrollments, priestly ordinations, tithing, parish membership, and mass attendance numbers bear this out.

And the fastest-declining religious orders are the ones with nuns wearing street clothes, screaming about womens' ordinations. The fastest-growing orders orders of nuns wear habits and practice traditional, orthodox catholicism.

So, unless you can prove otherwise, don't be so quick to dismiss a fact you don't like as not being a "sound arguement." Can you refute anything I've said?

Or were you just lumping yourself in with the "chumps" and taking it personally?

jturnbull · #**114** Apr 20, '05, 5:59 pm

These 62% could join the Episcopal Church. Then they would not have to worry about change!

Belinda · #**115** Apr 21, '05, 2:59 am

No matter what poll comes out, it has to be wrong if it doesn't include these (examples):

100% of Catholics believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

100% of Catholics believe in the divinity and humanity of Jesus.

100% of Catholics believe in the infallibility of the pope when he speaks from the chair of Peter.

If any poll reports differently, they did not poll "real" Catholics, only delusional ones.

MaggieOH · #**116** Apr 21, '05, 3:46 am

I bet that the way that the questions were being asked that it was another set up, just like the questions relating to Terri Schiavo. I bet if the questions were posed in a different and fairer way that respondents would give different answers.

The liberals are desperate because they realise that they are not getting their own way. They do not deserve to get their own way.

The 62% might only relate to people who were interviewed. The lower the number in the group, then there is a higher possibility that the result will be skewed. Also, the skewing might come about because of interpretation of answers that do not support the liberal agenda, but have been worded in such a way that it looks like there is agreement.

Ann-Elisabeth · #**117** Apr 21, '05, 6:03 am

...wonder where the heck these "62%" came from...
I am proud to be a so called "conservative" catholic .
...lettem keep whining...

Ann

SUNRISEDAWN · #**118** Apr 21, '05, 9:52 am

"62% of Catholics need to get over themselves.

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That's funny. But true.

So they say they are Catholic and want to change several thousand of years of faith and tradition. Isn't that what happens when people break off and form a sub-religion? They don't like something in it so they will do it their way? How about GOD's way. Why do they think they can put the Holy Father in the back seat? I know times change but the Holy Father does not. It is the worldliness of the people that want to change/fix something that is not broken.

Dawn