Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite - Page 6

Third Day · #76 Aug 1, '10, 3:48 pm

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Originally Posted by gurneyhalleck1

But Bruce is 100% through and through Catholic and is ANTI-Protestant and ANTI-Anglican now and a half! He's totally 100% sold on the Magisterium and infallibility and nit-picks to death. He's WAY overly-scrupulous over the tiniest thing and is way too works-oriented for me. He had to make an emergency appointment with his busy priest just to make sure he was "using his scapular properly!" I don't think you and he are anything alike! He is sold, no questions asked.

Bruce is suffering what is called Scrupulosity. Send him this link. Being over scrupulous is not a part of Catholic teaching.

http://www.ncpamd.com/scrup.htm

gurneyhalleck1 · #77 Aug 1, '10, 3:52 pm

I suffered from it as well and I happen to think Catholicism causes one to be far more apt to being overly scrupulous because instead of looking at ourselves as sinners, falling short of God's glory, instead of seeing our entire humanity as fallen and in need of total repair by Christ, Catholicism focuses on specific sins and analyzing one's conscience constantly, confessing each detail. This way of thinking leads to scrupulosity. Ask Martin Luther! LOL It's not an official part of Catholic teaching, but it's a side effect...

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Originally Posted by Third Day

Bruce is suffering what is called Scrupulosity. Send him this link. Being over scrupulous is not a part of Catholic teaching.

http://www.ncpamd.com/scrup.htm

Third Day · #78 Aug 1, '10, 4:05 pm

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Originally Posted by gurneyhalleck1

I suffered from it as well and I happen to think Catholicism causes one to be far more apt to being overly scrupulous because instead of looking at ourselves as sinners, falling short of God's glory, instead of seeing our entire humanity as fallen and in need of total repair by Christ, Catholicism focuses on specific sins and analyzing one's conscience constantly, confessing each detail. This way of thinking leads to scrupulosity. Ask Martin Luther! LOL It's not an official part of Catholic teaching, but it's a side effect...

First let me ask you to take the time and read this on the Church's teaching on immigration. I agree with everything that it said. I consider myself to be a conservative on all social issues. I believe that the Catholic Church's stand is reasonable.
http://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/...-interview.pdf

I'm 60 years old. I've been a Catholic all my life. I never even had a thought of leaving the Church. I have never suffered from being over scrupulous so I don't think you can blame scrupulosity on the teachings of the Church. There are a billion Catholics. How many suffer from it? Very few I am sure.

CMatt25 · #79 Aug 1, '10, 4:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Third Day

Everyone doesn't do that. Morality is based on what is in scripture and what has been handed down through sacred tradition. I haven't decided what is right and good based on my conscience or based on what "feels " right. How we should live our lives comes from the word of God.

Sure they do and in reality you do as well.

You have decided to place your faith in Scripture, in the Catholic Church's interpretation of Herself and in Her and the ECF's interpretations of all matters of faith and morals and have decided their writings and teachings are without err.

I don't know why poople can't or won't admit this

I can only venture one possibility why folks have trouble with this is because to do so lessens the comfort which comes with thinking we know everything with 100% absolute certainty. When in reality it does comes down to faith.

Peace to all who walk in faith and to all as we journey together on this earth.

cecilia97 · #80 Aug 1, '10, 8:16 pm

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Some conservatives have tried to skirt and sidestep the gay marriage agenda saying they're in favor of "civil unions." It seems a cop out to me. A serious Christian should be uncompromising in this area---civil unions and marriage are completely off limits for homosexuals, period.

I suppose you might call it a cop out, but there's belief and then there's what we can reasonably hope to effect in the public/political landscape. It's like pushing on a spaghetti noodle. If people want to call themselves "married" they will, legally recognized or not. We can't really stop them. Shoot, I know two lesbian couples in Texas who call themselves "married" when they are no such thing....they've never even had any sort of civil or religious ceremony.

I could call myself purple if I wanted. "I'm purple!" Am I purple? No. Did I take some purple away from things that are really purple..make them less purple? No.

The Church doesn't recognize gay marriages, plural marriages, common law marriages....they have all co-opted the word marriage but the total change that's effected on the Catholic sacrament of marriage is 0%.

(Now, I believe that homosexual relationships are wrong and that our society's growing acceptance of homosexuality as "mainstream" is harmful. In the best of all possible worlds, I would love it if the Catholic Church got to have its way on this issue....heck, ALL issues!

But that's just not going to happen.)

Nicea325 · #81 Aug 1, '10, 8:39 pm

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Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

Armed with a new $400,000 grant and the support of the Episcopal Church, a Berkeley seminary is convening priests from across the country to craft the liturgical rite for same-sex couples to receive religious blessings.

The new rite, which will take years to complete, will most likely consist of a series of original prayers, Bible readings and two essays: one on the theological meaning of same-sex blessings, and one advising priests who administer the new rite. If approved, the new blessing would be just the third addition to Episcopal liturgy since 1979.
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I am sorry,but that is going way to far. No wonder those communities are so divided,confused and jumping ship!

gamewell45 · #82 Aug 1, '10, 8:47 pm

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In reality.

I think the reality of it is strictly subjective.

gurneyhalleck1 · #83 Aug 2, '10, 10:28 am

We're in 100% total agreement, cecilia, blessings to you. I'm just trying to figure out why you suppose or assume I'd think your wise comments are a "cop out?"

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I suppose you might call it a cop out, but there's belief and then there's what we can reasonably hope to effect in the public/political landscape. It's like pushing on a spaghetti noodle. If people want to call themselves "married" they will, legally recognized or not. We can't really stop them. Shoot, I know two lesbian couples in Texas who call themselves "married" when they are no such thing....they've never even had any sort of civil or religious ceremony.

I could call myself purple if I wanted. "I'm purple!" Am I purple? No. Did I take some purple away from things that are really purple..make them less purple? No.

The Church doesn't recognize gay marriages, plural marriages, common law marriages....they have all co-opted the word marriage but the total change that's effected on the Catholic sacrament of marriage is 0%.

(Now, I believe that homosexual relationships are wrong and that our society's growing acceptance of homosexuality as "mainstream" is harmful. In the best of all possible worlds, I would love it if the Catholic Church got to have its way on this issue....heck, ALL issues!

But that's just not going to happen.)

gurneyhalleck1 · #84 Aug 2, '10, 10:31 am

Are you that sure?

I hear folks call into Catholic Answers and write on Catholic blogs and forums and on EWTN question/answer all the time about being scrupulous to the nth degree. I don't hear that much in Protestant circles where the emphasis on how we're saved and journey is different, not so works-oriented and self-examining, etc. I'm glad you've never thought of leaving the Church and are happy in your faith. That's a blessing. Thanks be to God.

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Originally Posted by Third Day

First let me ask you to take the time and read this on the Church's teaching on immigration. I agree with everything that it said. I consider myself to be a conservative on all social issues. I believe that the Catholic Church's stand is reasonable.
http://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/...-interview.pdf

I'm 60 years old. I've been a Catholic all my life. I never even had a thought of leaving the Church. I have never suffered from being over scrupulous so I don't think you can blame scrupulosity on the teachings of the Church. There are a billion Catholics. How many suffer from it? Very few I am sure.

cecilia97 · #85 Aug 2, '10, 10:49 am

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Originally Posted by gurneyhalleck1

We're in 100% total agreement, cecilia, blessings to you. I'm just trying to figure out why you suppose or assume I'd think your wise comments are a "cop out?"

Because I don't have a problem if homosexuals want to call their relationships "civil unions". It's no skin off my nose if they do, and it won't change what marriage really is.

gurneyhalleck1 · #86 Aug 2, '10, 10:50 am

Well I do have a problem with it

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Originally Posted by cecilia97

Because I don't have a problem if homosexuals want to call their relationships "civil unions". It's no skin off my nose if they do, and it won't change what marriage really is.