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Apr 8, '05, 8:23 pm
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Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
One of my friends brought this up and I really wasn't sure. I know the Jesuits have traditionally put up roadblocks for Popes in the past, could anyone confirm this? And if so, a bit more on the history of the Jesuits?
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Apr 8, '05, 9:42 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
Clement XIV received some education from the Jesuits and was created Cardinal after the recommendation of the Jesuit leader. Wasn't a Jesuit himself for all I know.
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Apr 8, '05, 9:47 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
It is my understanding that one of the vows a Jesuit takes is to NEVER be Pope. I believe I heard this from Fr. Mitch Pacwa. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Apr 8, '05, 10:34 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
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Originally Posted by James_2:24
It is my understanding that one of the vows a Jesuit takes is to NEVER be Pope. I believe I heard this from Fr. Mitch Pacwa. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Interesting. Why would they vow that?
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Apr 8, '05, 11:37 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
A Jusuit swear a vow of obedience to the Pope. Thus traditionally this has been a reason why a Jesuit has never been a Pope. I believe there is one Jesuit Cardinal that many think have a change to be a Pope. However they need to address how his vow of obedience to the Pope can be reconcilled if he is elected.
It's never happened but I suppose if a person is very popular they would look for loopholes.
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Apr 9, '05, 12:02 am
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
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Interesting. Why would they vow that?
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Because traditionally of the charisms of their order; they are not to accept "offices of the church" - whenever they do they must first consult with their Father Provincial and be dispensed I believe.
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Apr 9, '05, 5:18 am
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
A Pope that make a resurection of the jesuits would be a wonderful Pope. We hope so.
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Apr 10, '05, 12:53 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
Bishops swear obedience to the pope before they get ordained and they can still become the pope themselves, so I guess it's the same for jesuits. If they can be cardinals, they can be elected. I don't think a cardinal participant has ever declined when elected. Other elects yes, but not cardinal participants.
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Apr 10, '05, 2:33 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
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Bishops swear obedience to the pope before they get ordained and they can still become the pope themselves, so I guess it's the same for jesuits. If they can be cardinals, they can be elected. I don't think a cardinal participant has ever declined when elected. Other elects yes, but not cardinal participants.
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## It's happened 
Cardinal Baronius - who was a disciple of St. Philip Neri - refused on one occasion to be elected. His election was vetoed by Spain in the following conclave. Which is why Leo XI and Paul V - both elected in 1605 - were chosen.
One of the best things Pius X did was to abolish the power of veto, in 1904. ##
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Apr 10, '05, 2:38 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
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One of the best things Pius X did was to abolish the power of veto, in 1904. ##
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Well it worked out well at the time!
However the real answer to the original question--Has there ever been a Jesuit pope is: not if the Dominicans have a thing to say about it. 
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Well it worked out well at the time!
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## LOL
The patriarch of Venice was elected, because the Austrians had used their power of veto to block the election of Cardinal Rampolla. I'm amazed that the Popes put up with such interference for so long. The popes of a century ago would have been pretty pleased to have had the diplomatic representation that the Holy See has had in recent years - and to have received it. For so many countries - 200 ? - to have been represented at the Pope's funeral was quite something. ##
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Apr 10, '05, 2:52 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
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## LOL
The patriarch of Venice was elected, because the Austrians had used their power of veto to block the election of Cardinal Rampolla. I'm amazed that the Popes put up with such interference for so long. The popes of a century ago would have been pretty pleased to have had the diplomatic representation that the Holy See has had in recent years - and to have received it. For so many countries - 200 ? - to have been represented at the Pope's funeral was quite something. ## |
As some of the archives opened after the 75 year period have shown, this was not the worse thing that ever happened and at one point in our history people were free to walk into conclave and hear and observe - this ended when a group of cardinals grew so angry over the interference they threw them all out which helped establish once and for all -- cardinals only need enter.
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Apr 10, '05, 5:39 pm
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Re: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope?
That's a silly question 
Why would a Jesuit become a [white] pope when he could become the "Black Pope"--that is, the guy who really is in charge of the Church
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