Conversion for President Bush

[cathyt]

While Pres. Bush has been a great voice for pro-life advocates, what about his record with the death penalty? What about his record with feeding the hungry, protecting the vulnerable? I hope I'm not the only one of the forum who has some resentment over him using the term "culture of life," and basically claiming it as his own when he does not support this culture in it entirity. To me, to hear that declaration coming from him is like stepping on something sacred.I am confident that the life and death of our beloved pope will lead to many conversions and I pray for these, including our current president.

[Marie]

RADIO ADDRESS OF THE PRESIDENT TO THE NATION

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. This week I have been in Rome to attend the funeral mass of Pope John Paul II. The ceremonies were a powerful and moving reminder of the profound impact this Pope had on our world. And on behalf of America, Laura and I were honored to pay tribute to this good and holy man.

During nearly three decades on the Chair of St. Peter, this Pope brought the gospel's message of hope and love and freedom to the far corners of the Earth. And over this past week, millions of people across the world returned the Pope's gift with a tremendous outpouring of affection that transcended differences of nationality, language and religion.

The call to freedom that defined his papacy was forged in the experiences of Pope John Paul's own life. He came to manhood during the Nazi occupation of his beloved Poland, when he eluded the Gestapo to attend an underground seminary. Later, when he was named Poland's youngest bishop, he came face to face with the other great totalitarianism of the 20th century: Communism. And soon he taught the communist rulers in Warsaw and Moscow that moral truth had legions of its own and a force greater than their armies and secret police.

That moral conviction gave the man from Krakow a confidence that inspired millions. In 1978, when he looked out at the crowd in front of St. Peter's as their new Pope, the square rang with his words "Be Not Afraid."

Everywhere he went, the Pope preached that the call of freedom is for every member of the human family because the Author of Life wrote it into our common human nature.

Many in the West underestimated the Pope's influence. But those behind the Iron Curtain knew better, and ultimately even the Berlin Wall could not withstand the gale force of this Polish Pope.

The Pope held a special affection for America. During his many visits to our country, he spoke of our providential Constitution, the self-evident truths about human dignity enshrined in our Declaration, and the blessings of liberty that followed from them. It is these timeless truths about man, enshrined in our founding, the Pope said, that have led freedom-loving people around the world to look to America with hope and respect. And he challenged America always to live up to its lofty calling. The Pope taught us that the foundation for human freedom is a universal respect for human dignity. On all his travels, John Paul preached that even the least among us bears the image of our Creator, so we must work for a society where the most vulnerable among us have the greatest claim on our protection.

And by his own courageous example in the face of illness and suffering, he showed us the path to a culture of life where the dignity of every human person is respected, and human life at all its stages is revered and treasured.

As the Pope grew physically weaker, his spiritual bond with young people grew stronger. They flocked to him in his final moments, gathering outside his window to pray and sing hymns and light candles. With them, we honor this son of Poland who became the Bishop of Rome, and a hero for the ages.

Thank you for listening.

[Walburga]

I heard once, a long time ago that George Sr. and Barbara had gone on a Episcopalian Cursillo weekend before being in the White House. Maybe there was some influence there???? But I'm not so sure as ya'll that the current Prez would convert. I just don't know if that would fly with his wife!? I don't know that he would do that!

[cathyt]

While there is so much hope in the pres's kind, loving words about our beloved JPII, as a skeptic at the idea that politicians' motives are always pure, I say think about this: What would happen to/for W if he didn't say such wonderful things about our deceased pontiff? Could there be a partly political motive in all of this?

Again, I know the Spirit is powerful, and I don't doubt the possibility that anyone could be moved by attending a Mass, let alone a celebration such as the funeral of JPII, but let's not let ourselves be fooled either.

Pray for him, and for other coversions of heart, of course!

[Trelow]

Originally Posted by cathyt

While there is so much hope in the pres's kind, loving words about our beloved JPII, as a skeptic at the idea that politicians' motives are always pure, I say think about this: What would happen to/for W if he didn't say such wonderful things about our deceased pontiff? Could there be a partly political motive in all of this?

Again, I know the Spirit is powerful, and I don't doubt the possibility that anyone could be moved by attending a Mass, let alone a celebration such as the funeral of JPII, but let's not let ourselves be fooled either.

Pray for him, and for other coversions of heart, of course!

Anyone who knows anything about W knows that this was sincere.

[MarilynIN]

I am praying for guidance for our President, as we all do. If it is in Our Savior's Will, the flame of desire to seek the True Church will burn brightly in Pres. Bush and he will come to the Truth.

[PiusXIII]

Originally Posted by Trelow

Anyone who knows anything about W knows that this was sincere.

Amen! This President is a man of deep faith and he doesn't lie or just say things for political gain. Shame on the person who would even IMPLY such a thing!

[nike248]

Originally Posted by Trelow

Anyone who knows anything about W knows that this was sincere.

I guess you must not know anything about W. After all, it's not like he pushed for war, right? Being the pacifist that he is and all...

[PiusXIII]

Originally Posted by nike248

I guess you must not know anything about W. After all, it's not like he pushed for war, right? Being the pacifist that he is and all...

He did not push for war. War was forced upon us by the evil regime of Saddam Hussein. We had to stand up for the people of Iraq. Would you be happier if Saddam Hussein were still terrorizing his people? And don't pull the "Pope John Paul II was against the war" card because quite frankly John Paul II didn't have the intelligence information available to the President.

[nike248]

Originally Posted by PiusXIII

He did not push for war. War was forced upon us by the evil regime of Saddam Hussein. We had to stand up for the people of Iraq. Would you be happier if Saddam Hussein were still terrorizing his people? And don't pull the "Pope John Paul II was against the war" card because quite frankly John Paul II didn't have the intelligence information available to the President.

That's true. Pope John Paul II apparently had better information considering the fact that we went in there to find weapons of mass destruction and found none. Good argument there, bud.

[PiusXIII]

Originally Posted by nike248

That's true. Pope John Paul II apparently had better information considering the fact that we went in there to find weapons of mass destruction and found none. Good argument there, bud.

Are you John Kerry?

[nike248]

Originally Posted by PiusXIII

Are you John Kerry?

Why would John Kerry be here in the first place? Since you're such a fan of George Bush, here's a nice reality check of what goes on in Iraq.

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/us...llujah%201.jpg

[Trelow]

Originally Posted by nike248

I guess you must not know anything about W. After all, it's not like he pushed for war, right? Being the pacifist that he is and all...

What in the dilly does pacifism have to do with christianity?

[nike248]

Originally Posted by Trelow

What in the dilly does pacifism have to do with christianity?

Are you kidding me? Christianity IS pacifism! Jesus didn't fight back once while getting beaten, humiliated, and nailed to the cross.

By the way, I agree with what we did by removing Saddam Hussein from power. However, I don't agree by people saying that George Bush is honest. I've talked to plenty of people about what's going on over there and the media along with the pentagon is filling us with a bunch of ****. The majority of civilians don't realize how troops are getting turned away from tricare simply because they want to hide the fact of how many post-tramautic stress syndrome cases there are, or how some soldiers had to buy their own body armor, or how the humvees are absolute **** because they have no protection thanks to the government's inability to wait a few months and prepare for war.

Don't believe me? Go to http://www.optruth.org then.

[Trelow]

Originally Posted by nike248

Are you kidding me? Christianity IS pacifism! .

Prove it.

Show me in the Catechism, which is "a sure norm for teaching the faith"(per JP the Great) where it says that christianity is pacifisim. I'll give you a hint the teachings on the fifth commandment are 2258-2330