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Old Sep 29, '10, 9:11 am
Chaldean Rite Chaldean Rite is offline
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Question The role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's holocaust

What do you all make of this?
http://libcom.org/library/role-catho...h-na-1941-1945
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Old Sep 29, '10, 10:03 am
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Who is (was) Seán Mac Mathúna?

The article can say anything and assert whatever, the people involved are dead and the Vatican can't sue for libel.

There are no footnotes to the point by point accusations in the article.

I did a quick search and if Sean Mac Mathuna is alive, he's written three articles.

If Catholic priests were involved in extermination, would it have taken 65 years for the news to hit the papers?
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Old Sep 29, '10, 10:04 am
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Yugoslavia has a long history. There has always been animosity among the various ethnic groups and so it is possible that some people took that with them in their religious stewardship. However, it must be remembered that the Nazis were an atheist regime and murdered 3 million Catholic Poles (in addition to 3 million Polish Jews), (in fact the plan was to murder almost all Polish Christians after the Jews were eliminated) to make space for Lebensraum. These were not Christian doctrines which were so enforced. The Nazis and later the Communists murdered priests, nuns and Catholics with no remorse.
Polish Catholics and members of the Church saved many Jews and Roma from extermination, often paying the price as entire families were wiped out if even one member hid a Jew. Getting back to this article: secular doctrines won over Christian ones for many and sure, some were leaders in the Church. Note that secular doctrines won over Christian ones, it was not because of their faith that these people did what they did but because of fear of Communism (Serbs sided with Russia, Serbs like Russians kept the Cyrillic alphabet, are the same ethnic group etc), fear of persecution by the Nazis, the Nazis allied against their ethnic 'enemies' and so forth. It's the same with a pedophile priest, the man molested a child not because of Church teaching but because he had other issues which overcame his respect or adherence to the Church teaching.

People ask why the Pope did not do more to save more people (than he already did) in WW2. Well the Nazis had no respect for the Vatican. They would have occupied it with pleasure. The result would have been worse for the people they were saving.

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Old Sep 29, '10, 11:50 am
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Default Re: The role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's holocaust

Anti-Catholics will manipulate and twist any historical event to suit their purpose.

They have tried for decades to link the Catholic Church and the Nazis. However the more this issue is properly explored, the more it becomes clear that the Church was one of the few organisations to steadfastly oppose Nazi ideology from the start. So attempts are made to produce more obscure examples like Spain and Croatia. In Spain the church was forced into Nationalist hands by the massare of 8,000 priests, nuns and bishops by the Republicans. In Croatia, Nationalist movements may have contained some Catholics, but the participation of the Church is again twisted and exaggerated. Very few of the allegations made on fringe sites and repeated by anti-Catholics stand up to detailed examination.
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Old Sep 29, '10, 11:56 am
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My bad, I didn't read the article properly before replying. This link is mostly Marxist drivel - the website in question is Marxist too.
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Old Sep 29, '10, 12:37 pm
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Good grief!!!!

Who is this daniel, and Seán Mac Mathúna who writes the article? Just curious, How did you find this article?

the article brings up "Hitler's pope" as a support document for his point? This should tell you immediately the author is an ignorant bigot.

Pius XII & Archbishop, Aloysius Stepinac who he trashes, were great men.

  1. Rabbi Zolli was chief rabbi for the Jews in Rome during WWII, the holocaust, and during the reign of Pius XII. Zolli after the war, converted to Catholicism AND changed his first name from Isreal to Eugenio in honor of Pius XII. Pius XII's given name was Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli. Here is the story
    http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/featu...lli_sept05.asp
  2. Archbishop Stepinac in the article is also trashed by that screwball. Here's Stepinac's story http://www.catholicsocialscientists....%20Section.pdf notice all the footnotes supporting the article
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Just curious, How did you find this article?
Go to www.google.com then click on "More" on the left hand side, then I clicked on "Discussions"then typed "Catholic" and it was the first article.
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Who is (was) Seán Mac Mathúna?
He is a playwright and short story writer, who writes in both the Irish and English languages, he is also a communist. Enough said.
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