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Old Apr 18, '05, 12:09 pm
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This morning, a radio talk show host in Houston stated: "I know there are Popes who have been married and one Pope's son took his place. So there is a precedent for married priests.”



Now I know there is at least one Pope who had children with his mistress, but were there ever any "legitimately" married Popes?



Was there ever a father to son turn over of the Papacy?



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Old Apr 18, '05, 12:16 pm
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but were there ever any "legitimately" married Popes
Peter was married.
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Old Apr 18, '05, 12:28 pm
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It is thought that by the time Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom [Matthew 16:19] that he was widowed [Matthew 8:14-15].

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Old Apr 18, '05, 12:29 pm
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There have been 39 married Popes.


There are married Catholic preists today as well.

This is old news and nothing new. Celibacy is a discipline that our Church uses when it deems to.
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Old Apr 18, '05, 12:32 pm
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It is thought that by the time Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom [Matthew 16:19] that he was widowed [Matthew 8:14-15].

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Matthew 8:14-15 does not lead to the conclusion that Peter's wife was dead, only that his mother-in-law was ill.
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Old Apr 18, '05, 12:34 pm
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The radio talk show host's information is correct; the conclusion he draws from it is flawed, as his mindset seems to be from secular law. Precedent setting has nothing to do with the disciplines of the Church.
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Old Apr 18, '05, 1:06 pm
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This is just an observation I've made: I notice that many non-Catholics believe we worship Popes. With that assumption, it only follows how 'flawed' Catholicism is, since not all popes have acted holy in all situations - i.e. owning property, having mistresses, inconsistancies with being married, etc.

Since we Catholics DON'T worship popes, then we are able to accept that they are human and subject to sin and temptation and still respect and honor the Office of St. Peter...
I think many of these people think we see the pope as infallible, when we are only to take his teachings on matters of faith and morals as infallible.
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Old Apr 18, '05, 1:14 pm
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Matthew 8:14-15 does not lead to the conclusion that Peter's wife was dead, only that his mother-in-law was ill.
I agree that this is not conclusive, however the absence of Peter's wife is interesting. Why did his MIL get up off her sick bed and begin serving them instead of Peter's wife, who, under ordinary circumstances, would have been there to serve them?

In the grand scheme of things this is insignificant. I guess we'll know the answer when we meet Peter at The Gate.

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Maybe I missed the answer but has a Pope ever passed the Papacy on down to an heir?


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Old Apr 18, '05, 1:19 pm
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I don't recall a Pope's "son" succeeding him.

I do recall that Callistus (a Borgia) had a nephew who was adopted into the family and who became Alexander VI. . .but 1. This was a nephew, not a son and 2. There were two popes at least between Callistus and Alexander, so it was hardly a question of "succession."
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Old Apr 18, '05, 1:22 pm
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Maybe I didn't ask the question correctly.

Were any Popes (or Bishops for that matter) officially allowed to "remain" in marital union while practicing their ministry?

I thought that as with Peter they left the marital bed before accepting their ministry?

(I know that there are and have been married priests, but I thought the Bishops positions were reserved for celibates in both the eastern and western church.)

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Old Apr 18, '05, 1:28 pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malachi4U
There have been 39 married Popes.

There are married Catholic preists today as well.

This is old news and nothing new. Celibacy is a discipline that our Church uses when it deems to.
All good answers. Malach4U says it above most clearly though...

It is a Scriptural fact (Matt.19) that Jesus Himself favored celibacy for God as a special calling and lifestyle... one could say "preferred for a special calling, but not always mandatory".

It's no wonder, then, that the Church still holds celibacy for God as "preferred for a special calling, but not always mandatory."

I'm not sure which other Christian denominations still hold to this Scriptural teaching about a "preference" for celibacy. I know our Catholic Church does (through the Roman rite), but some others actually seem to show a disfavor for celibacy amongst ministers.
Has anyone else ever noticed this?
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Old Apr 18, '05, 2:03 pm
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I agree that this is not conclusive, however the absence of Peter's wife is interesting. Why did his MIL get up off her sick bed and begin serving them instead of Peter's wife, who, under ordinary circumstances, would have been there to serve them?

In the grand scheme of things this is insignificant. I guess we'll know the answer when we meet Peter at The Gate.

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actually she waited on 'him' (meaning Jesus), not 'them'
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Old Apr 18, '05, 2:05 pm
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Maybe I missed the answer but has a Pope ever passed the Papacy on down to an heir?


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nope! although there were 2 popes (I think...don't quote me) whose sons were popes right after their father, but they were still elected and not 'passed on'
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Old Apr 18, '05, 3:10 pm
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There have been many popes married and having children. The last married man to be the pope was Hadrian II in the 9th century.

There have also been Popes with illegitimate children who became cardinals. Maybe one of those was elected to papacy? I don't know.
 

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