Dogs Baying at the Moon

[HagiaSophia]

CWN reporting on Carl Bernstein's biography of JPII:

""A lot of people feel, rather than this heavy-handed dogmatic approach, he should take a pastoral approach," says Father Vincent O'Keefe, a former vicar general of the Jesuits who has had his own struggles with Wojtyla. "In the United States we have a lot of Catholics who are divorced. The pope says the doctrine has to be clear. Well, the doctrine is too damned clear! That's not the problem. How do you deal with these people? How do you help these people? Is there no help for them? Do you say, 'Well, you can come to the Church but you can't partake in communion'? It's the same with people who practice contraception or abortion. How do you deal with these people? What kind of hope do you hold out for them?

O'Keefe, like many American bishops, believes the pope has a cultural bias, that "he has a really deep antagonism to the West, certainly towards the United States. I think he feels we're too materialistic, we're too loud, we talk too much, we're spoiled." The Jesuit father asks, "How available is he for this universal Church that a lot of us are looking for? That was the great thing at Vatican II."".....

[sweetchuck]

Originally Posted by HagiaSophia

CWN reporting on Carl Bernstein's biography of JPII:

""A lot of people feel, rather than this heavy-handed dogmatic approach, he should take a pastoral approach," says Father Vincent O'Keefe, a former vicar general of the Jesuits who has had his own struggles with Wojtyla. "In the United States we have a lot of Catholics who are divorced. The pope says the doctrine has to be clear. Well, the doctrine is too damned clear! That's not the problem. How do you deal with these people? How do you help these people? Is there no help for them? Do you say, 'Well, you can come to the Church but you can't partake in communion'? It's the same with people who practice contraception or abortion. How do you deal with these people? What kind of hope do you hold out for them?

O'Keefe, like many American bishops, believes the pope has a cultural bias, that "he has a really deep antagonism to the West, certainly towards the United States. I think he feels we're too materialistic, we're too loud, we talk too much, we're spoiled." The Jesuit father asks, "How available is he for this universal Church that a lot of us are looking for? That was the great thing at Vatican II."".....

Is there ANY wonder why the Jesuits are dwindling? Sometimes, I am embarassed to be an American. Some American Catholics push me to hang my head.

[Ghosty]

How do you deal with these people? How do you help these people? Is there no help for them? Do you say, 'Well, you can come to the Church but you can't partake in communion'? It's the same with people who practice contraception or abortion. How do you deal with these people? What kind of hope do you hold out for them?

No, you tell them to quit living in Sin, go to Confession, and get straight with God. You know, the same thing Jesus said to do. Numbskull.

Society of Jesus indeed.

[mom 07]

Originally Posted by Ghosty

No, you tell them to quit living in Sin, go to Confession, and get straight with God. You know, the same thing Jesus said to do. Numbskull.

Society of Jesus indeed.

The truth shall set you free and freedom in Christ is hope and true happiness.

Follow the True Church or you will be lost and start acting selfishly. Others might even see you as too materialistic, too loud, someone who talks too much and spoiled; and they would be right. Of course, you will be so used to the darkness that any light will annoy you and you will curse anyone who shines the light of the truth. Even the Vicar of Christ. Yikes!

[fix]

Originally Posted by HagiaSophia

CWN reporting on Carl Bernstein's biography of JPII:

""A lot of people feel, rather than this heavy-handed dogmatic approach, he should take a pastoral approach," says Father Vincent O'Keefe, a former vicar general of the Jesuits who has had his own struggles with Wojtyla. "In the United States we have a lot of Catholics who are divorced. The pope says the doctrine has to be clear. Well, the doctrine is too damned clear! That's not the problem. How do you deal with these people? How do you help these people? Is there no help for them? Do you say, 'Well, you can come to the Church but you can't partake in communion'? It's the same with people who practice contraception or abortion. How do you deal with these people? What kind of hope do you hold out for them?

O'Keefe, like many American bishops, believes the pope has a cultural bias, that "he has a really deep antagonism to the West, certainly towards the United States. I think he feels we're too materialistic, we're too loud, we talk too much, we're spoiled." The Jesuit father asks, "How available is he for this universal Church that a lot of us are looking for? That was the great thing at Vatican II."".....

Sorry, but every time I read this type of thing I can't help but wonder if these folks have more than an academic interest in "changing" Christ's moral law.

[Tantum ergo]

Typical mindset of the "concerned" AMCath--how do we "help" people?

Well, for heaven's sake, first we don't ask them to "change" anything about themselves. How judgmental that would be.

So. . .they're in trouble, they don't <need> to change--

I've got it! WE have to change!! Yes, yes, that's it.

If somebody is poor and hungry, we just set up a program and give what we think is necessary. The program will just "run itself". No need to worry about graft, about theft, about entitlement, about cycling poverty, about dignity and self worth. Just line up for the free milk and cheese--don't forget at the same time we can artificially jump up prices on those for the middleman while paying the farmers whose cows produce them less and less. When they're poor enough, they can get the free milk and cheese too.

If somebody is "living in sin". . .we just CHANGE the rules so it isn't a SIN anymore! No need to worry about sin, after all--God loves us so much, He'll understand that we just couldn't HELP ourselves, that what we needed or wanted was more important than He is, that we know better, that after all, isn't "the LOVE" more important than "the RULES?"

JP2, please, please, PLEASE beg our Heavenly Father NOT to send us what we DESERVE but to send us what we NEED to do your will.

Totus tuus--THY WILL BE DONE.

[antiaphrodite]

Originally Posted by Ghosty

No, you tell them to quit living in Sin, go to Confession, and get straight with God. You know, the same thing Jesus said to do. Numbskull.

Society of Jesus indeed.

nice one