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Old Oct 30, '10, 11:18 pm
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No, I don't think that was the reason. But I don't know for sure. It might have something to do with anatomy.
Oh OK. Thanks man.
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Unfortunately this technicality has led many to believe that these extramarital acts are okay.
Including a former President of the USA. (What, somebody had to crack that joke!)

I'm not aware of any theological reason a man can't be called a virgin. As far as I can see the only reason it wasn't done in the past was the same reason they stoned women for adultery and not men: double standards. Let's admit that the feminists occasionally make a good point. Women have historically been held to higher standards than men. There are two potential explanations for that. Neither one is flattering to men! (think about it)

We also don't know for sure Joseph was a virgin. He may have been a widower prior to Mary (which is one of the common explanations for the "brethren" of Jesus. They're either half-brothers or cousins, the Aramaic isn't conclusive.)
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Including a former President of the USA. (What, somebody had to crack that joke!)

I'm not aware of any theological reason a man can't be called a virgin. As far as I can see the only reason it wasn't done in the past was the same reason they stoned women for adultery and not men: double standards. Let's admit that the feminists occasionally make a good point. Women have historically been held to higher standards than men. There are two potential explanations for that. Neither one is flattering to men! (think about it)

We also don't know for sure Joseph was a virgin. He may have been a widower prior to Mary (which is one of the common explanations for the "brethren" of Jesus. They're either half-brothers or cousins, the Aramaic isn't conclusive.)
Yes, I think that is correct. It is possible (and I have read, likely) that he was a widower, and was married to Mary to take care of her. She had been a consecrated virgin at the temple, but with the arrival of her menarche, she could no longer stay there. So she was married to Joseph, so that he would care for her, but it was not for the purpose of them procreating themselves. Hence, Joseph was chaste as her spouse.
The teaching is from the Protoevangelion of James, the main source of our teaching on Mary's Perpetual Virginity.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Mary_Ever_Virgin.asp

And as was also mentioned, due to cultural standards that were in place throughout history, it was not as "relevant" a fact whether a man was a virgin or not, as whether a woman was, hence the word was applied more to women being held to the standard.
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Old Nov 1, '10, 11:52 am
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I used to favor the old widower view of Joseph myself. Over time, I came to realize that the reason it appealed to me was that Joseph then wouldn't have had it rough being married to the perfect woman, but having to remain celibate.

On further reflection, it would fit the profile of the suffering first family better if Joseph were a young, virile stud who sacrificed the desires of his biology in favor of the Will of God. Scripture, history and Tradition aren't conclusive.
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