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Old Nov 3, '10, 5:13 pm
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Default Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

Let's be honest, not-too-bright people surround all of us. Is calling someone an "idiot" (or "fool" like Jesus said) a sin, in the context of "Why did you act so stupid?" or "She's an idiot for getting that question wrong"? Or was that just a response to Pharisee customs and not a universal law?

Keep in mind I'm not talking about calling someone with a disability an "idiot". That's obviously immoral.
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Old Nov 3, '10, 6:43 pm
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Default Re: Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

I think you will find that Jesus meant the contempt that can underlie condemning another as a fool...it does show a degree of judgement to call someone stupid and it can undermine their self image, if not our perception of another person.

It was the unloving contemptuous meaning held in the words sometimes that Jesus was censuring. He teaching is all about 'Love", "Charity"

It isn't charitable to call another person a fool, but you can acknowledge that the person has made a foolish mistake (in your perception, and in view of the consequences).

I've given judgement of others some thought and various times in my life and written a number of prayers relating to that e.g

Judge you, my brother?

God, eternity waits for those who live the gospel to truly share in Your delight in each person. With You, we will rejoice in everyone who accepts Christ’s invitation to follow Him with prayer, penance and generosity!

How profound is the giving required by that person, and this! What happiness, what anguish is known there! What temptation is encountered! What sensitivities enfeeble or enrich and sanctify that life! How great is Your glory in the strange or ordinary facts and struggles of their existence! Yet, how can we know?

We err in applying rules of private interpretation to another’s intention or act, except as feeble measure for our compassion and charity. Only by one’s private consciousness—unless enlightened by Your Spirit of love—can each see what lies in another’s soul.

Each person is a unique expression of Your love, an individual world, some great, and some miniature, separate in existence and consciousness, yet united in You. Yet how quickly do we judge each other! We offer You our hurt and theirs in prayer for healing and forgiveness.

Let us not belittle or betray, in thought, or by gossip—the seemingly sinful, the apparently misled or foolish, or those perceived to be ugly, or crippled in mind or spirit. Let us celebrate their preciousness in You. Let us no longer sin against Your sacred love and creation in anyone by our judgements however seemingly justified.

Let Your Holy Spirit know and love each other person through us, with sensitivity to their emerging needs. Give us compassion for each other, however perplexed or inaccurate our perception, so that we revere each other—and ourselves—as individuals sacred to You.

Through Your Spirit, we can offer appreciation, justice and love to each other as we wait humbly on the full vision of Your meaning, purpose, and love of each person, in the final translation that follows death. Let us serve and intercede for each other person as loved child of God, in glad, trusting welcome.
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Old Nov 3, '10, 6:48 pm
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I figure you talking about this verse:

Matt. 522 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca( empty headed man), shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Doesn't look like something you want to call another brother or sister in Christ..
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Old Nov 3, '10, 6:59 pm
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I figure you talking about this verse:

Matt. 522 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca( empty headed man), shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Doesn't look like something you want to call another brother or sister in Christ..
But, of course, if someone can lose his salvation by calling his brother a fool, so much for salvation by faith alone/one saved always saved.
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Let's be honest, not-too-bright people surround all of us. Is calling someone an "idiot" (or "fool" like Jesus said) a sin, in the context of "Why did you act so stupid?" or "She's an idiot for getting that question wrong"? Or was that just a response to Pharisee customs and not a universal law?

Keep in mind I'm not talking about calling someone with a disability an "idiot". That's obviously immoral.
It is a sin against Charity.

'He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity.' LG(14)
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Old Nov 3, '10, 7:54 pm
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Default Re: Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

An "idiot" is a person who is stupid.

A "fool" is a person who makes poor choices.

"Fool" is probably more charitable than "idiot." There has to be a way to show disapproval without sinning, because if you don't show your disapproval you are pretending like there is nothing wrong and that is bad, too. If someone doesn't know what they're doing is wrong, how will they ever change and grow closer to God?
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Old Nov 3, '10, 8:11 pm
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Default Re: Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

There is a world of difference between telling someone that *they* are stupid and telling them that their *actions* are stupid. I've always thought that the murder Jesus refers to is a murder of the spirit...how many times does a person have to hear that he is stupid before he starts to believe it? We all fall now and again and being held accountable is definitely part of growth. However, we're called to build up rather than tear down and speak the truth in love.
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Old Nov 3, '10, 8:15 pm
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Default Re: Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

Well, I'd say that depends on the use.
Telling someone they're acting like an idiot?
I don't think there's anything wrong there.
Calling someone an idiot? That's harsher.
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It worked for Mr. T!

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Old Nov 3, '10, 9:20 pm
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Default Re: Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

Yes, It is a sin to call someone else a fool by the bible reference to Jesus' teaching in the previous post.

The second most important commandment from Jesus ("Love your neighbor as yourself") comes only after loving God with all your heart and mind and soul.

Galatians 6:2 requires us to be gentle with believers:
"Brothers, is someone is caught in sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted."

Paul also says (1st Corinthians 9:19-23) to be all things to all people who do not believe in order to win them to Christ. Calling even a non-believer a fool is inconsistent with this teaching.
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There is a world of difference between telling someone that *they* are stupid and telling them that their *actions* are stupid. I've always thought that the murder Jesus refers to is a murder of the spirit...how many times does a person have to hear that he is stupid before he starts to believe it? We all fall now and again and being held accountable is definitely part of growth. However, we're called to build up rather than tear down and speak the truth in love.

Bzzzt! We have a winner.

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It worked for Mr. T!

lol. He uses "Pity" a lot, too.
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Default Re: Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

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It worked for Mr. T!

He has a pretty cool testimony of his faith in Christ...He went through a tough bout with cancer..Couple related thoughts..It all starts in the mind... Bringing our thought life in obedience to Christ...The tongue, James speaks a lot about it...One thing I was learned over the years is that if it isn't encouraging or beneficial to the hearer best not to say it..Restore in love...
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Old Nov 4, '10, 7:32 pm
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Default Re: Is calling someone a "fool" really a sin?

I've often wondered about thsi verse, thanks peeps for the clear up.

It was amusing once, I told a die hard anti-Catholic christian his actions were foolish [not him being a fool, just his actions being foolish. heh] He cited this verse, told me I was going to Hell and this is what was wrong with the RCC. He then preceeded to calling me a [rude word for intercourse]ing [rude word for a part of the female anatomy].
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He then preceeded to calling me a [rude word for intercourse]ing [rude word for a part of the female anatomy].
..And you told him to get into the word so the Holy Spirit can use it to teach
him how to reflect Christ in all his word, deed , thoughts ,actions and attitudes.
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Old Nov 4, '10, 8:04 pm
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He then preceeded to calling me a [rude word for intercourse]ing [rude word for a part of the female anatomy].
That's disgusting. No one deserves that.

Let God deal with that "man".
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