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Old Oct 17, '11, 9:53 am
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I have been having this debate with my mother about shopping (and similar activities of economic exchange) on sundays. I agree completely with need to keep sunday holy and to avoid these activities. Only, I hold the opinion that this does not bind the faithful under pain of mortal sin. My mom says that it does. Am I wrong?
Nowhere in the Catechism nor in Dies Domini does it say anything about avoiding shopping on Sunday under pain of mortal sin.

We absloutely need to to keep the Lord's Day holy, but we need to be careful about going the way of the Pharisees who chastened the apostles for the "work" of plucking grain to eat on the Sabbath. They also made regulations on footwear because something too heavy would mean the person was "working" by listing up their feet when they walked. Let's not create burdens for others that are too heavy to bear.

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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I have been having this debate with my mother about shopping (and similar activities of economic exchange) on sundays. I agree completely with need to keep sunday holy and to avoid these activities. Only, I hold the opinion that this does not bind the faithful under pain of mortal sin. My mom says that it does. Am I wrong?
I think as long as you are careful not to deprive a store employee of the ability to make his or her Sunday obligation, and only on rare occasions (like, don't make Sunday your major shopping day; keep it to Saturday) there is nothing wrong with it.

However, keep in mind that every person who goes into a store on a Sunday is one more reason for employers to require their employees to work on Sundays, and perhaps deprive them of the ability to go to Mass.
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The question is:

Do you attend Mass on Sunday - before or after you do online shopping?

If you focus on God by attending Mass on a Sunday first, then do something for another, which is worthwhile, that would be fair. Correct me if I am wrong, though.

That's how I could understand. Tha't's why in the Ten Commandments, and to the Greatest Commandment, it's God first, then neighbor.

Of course, setting a time limit would also be good when online shopping. An hour of attending Mass to God but more than 2 hours of online shopping would be unfair. If it that happens, you have to do some good work or act of piety just to fix this up.
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I work at a Catholic bookstore located in a church building. We are open on Sunday.

I guess according to some here, the priest is just waiting for me to go to Confession and confess the sin of doing my job.
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Hmm... Is there a rule in your Catholic references (depending on every country), in particular, the Ordo, regarding attending the Holy Mass on a Saturday evening?

Depending on your diocese, Saturday evening Mass counts as a Sunday Mass. Others call that an "anticipated Mass."

So, if you'll be working on a Sunday, especially if work involves important operations (power plant, police or military duty, food service, etc.), if you are able to attend a Satuday evening Mass, then you have made the Lord's day holy.
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Hmm... Is there a rule in your Catholic references (depending on every country), in particular, the Ordo, regarding attending the Holy Mass on a Saturday evening?

Depending on your diocese, Saturday evening Mass counts as a Sunday Mass. Others call that an "anticipated Mass."

So, if you'll be working on a Sunday, especially if work involves important operations (power plant, police or military duty, food service, etc.), if you are able to attend a Satuday evening Mass, then you have made the Lord's day holy.
I attend Mass on Saturday evening, at 5. I then work, at the Church, from 8:30 until noon on Sunday. I then meet up with my family and go out to lunch. We then have the rest of the day to spend doing family things, sometimes simply watching a movie together or going for a bike ride.
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I don't shop on Sunday it is a day of rest .Besides ,your merchandise won't be shipped until Monday.
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I don't shop on Sunday it is a day of rest .Besides ,your merchandise won't be shipped until Monday.
Some people, me, find shopping online very relaxing, instead of trying to make it to the mall the other days of the week. Besides if I waited until Mondy, won't be shipped to Tuesday, so I don't see your point.
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Old Dec 7, '11, 12:43 pm
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Our local church's gift shop is open for a few minutes before Mass on Sunday morning. The sweet ladies in there don't miss Mass though.

I really like that Hobby Lobby, Chik-Fil-A and other places are not open on Sundays.
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Our local church's gift shop is open for a few minutes before Mass on Sunday morning. The sweet ladies in there don't miss Mass though.

I really like that Hobby Lobby, Chik-Fil-A and other places are not open on Sundays.
Chances are those sweet ladies attend Mass at another time. I know all of the people at our store do, except for one that isn't Catholic.
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Since on-line stores don't have to be manned by human clerks, and don't prevent anyone from being able to go to Mass, you can shop on-line without the danger of keeping someone away from their Mass obligation.
As someone who works in IT, let me add:

It takes people to run, monitor, and maintain the servers that do online shopping. System administrators. Database administrators. Network engineers. Supervisors, managers. And so on and so on. These places are staffed 24-7-365. If they wouldn't, who would bother shopping online since the servers would be down a lot?

Whether they do it in-house (big stores like Target) or just use a third party internet provider (for most small businesses), it is the same.

I haven't heard of the Church forbidding shopping on Sunday. I can understand why not. Atheists, Jews, Muslims, and other non-Christians are not bound by the fourth commandment so they can work on Sunday anyway. They are 2/3 of the world's population and who knows where the servers are being maintained with all the outsourcing going on.
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I work at a Catholic bookstore located in a church building. We are open on Sunday.
Presumably no business is done while Mass is being said.

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guess according to some here, the priest is just waiting for me to go to Confession and confess the sin of doing my job.
I also work at a Church (and so does your priest) and Church work requires at least a small number of hours to be worked on Sundays - it is unavoidable. But all business stops and the Office door is locked when Mass is in progress.
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can you give a source from authentic Catholic teaching that specifically says shopping on Sunday is sinful, and why you think on-line shopping specifically might be?
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Are you basing this on Church documents or personal piety? I don't know of any priest or bishop who has forbidden shopping on Sunday.
I'm 66 yrs old, a cradle Catholic, and I've never heard of any ban
that the Church has put on shopping on Sundays. This type of
"ban" reminds me of those who wish to be "more Catholic than the Pope."
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Atheists, Jews, Muslims, and other non-Christians are not bound by the fourth commandment so they can work on Sunday anyway.
Jews are certainly bound by the fourth commandment; they observe it from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.
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As someone who works in IT, let me add:

It takes people to run, monitor, and maintain the servers that do online shopping.
Where I work, they turn it on, program it, and it pretty much runs itself, unless there is a problem of some kind. People can send information to the server without there needing to be a live human being at the other end to receive the information - the information is stored and you can access it when you arrive in the office at 9:00 am on Monday morning.

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System administrators. Database administrators. Network engineers. Supervisors, managers. And so on and so on. These places are staffed 24-7-365. If they wouldn't, who would bother shopping online since the servers would be down a lot?
We have one IT guy, and he only comes in if there is a problem of some kind. The system runs itself.

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We are to avoid doing servile work (ie: work for which we are paid by an employer) and we are to avoid situations in which other people would be required to servile work if we were to do that activity.
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