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Apr 20, '05, 7:46 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger surrounded by the faithful in his parish of Santa Maria Consolatrice
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Apr 20, '05, 7:47 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Pope Benedict XVI celebrates his first Mass in the Sistine Chapel after his election
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Apr 20, '05, 7:49 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Wow, he looks great in those white clothes!
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Apr 20, '05, 7:54 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
At his desk
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Apr 20, '05, 7:59 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
this one is kinda cool....
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Apr 20, '05, 8:06 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
I'm posting this here before it disappears tomorrow. It's from LaRepubblica.it. Can someone translate it please?
Dai cardinali usciti dal conclave le indiscrezioni sull'elezione
I consensi per il nuovo Pontefice cresciuti fin dalla seconda votazione
Ratzinger, quasi unanimitą
Voti "molto superiori" al quorum
</B>Nella convergenza delle preferenze, decisivo l'apporto di Martini
Schoenborn: "Ha detto sģ al nuovo ruolo in modo fermo e deciso"
Il cardinale di Vienna
Christopher Schoenborn
ROMA - La Scelta dello Spirito Santo si č manifestata chiaramente quando in conclave, alla terza votazione, č stato praticamente sfiorato il quorum. Un crescendo continuo, quello dei voti per il cardinale Joseph Ratzinger, fin dal primo spoglio delle schede. Non vogliono e non possono dire nulla, i cardinali che in queste ore hanno lasciato la residenza di Santa Marta che li ha ospitati per la durata, brevissima, del concistoro. Ma qualcuno, pił col gesto che con le parole, concede il dettaglio decisivo, ovvero che Benedetto XVI č stato eletto con un numero di voti "molto superiore" al quorum necessario - i due terzi dei 115 elettori - fissato a 77.
In quel "molto superiore" č probabilmente il senso di questo conclave. Al quale i cardinali elettori sono giunti con il seguito di una campagna pro-Ratzinger iniziata a Giovanni Paolo II ancora vivo sebbene in condizioni di salute assai deteriorate. E in questo quadro, quando č stato intimato l' extra omnes, si inserisce anche il ruolo, probabile, dell'arcivescovo emerito di Milano, cardinale Carlo Maria Martini. Che per motivi di salute pare preferisse declinare la possibilitą di essere eletto a pontefice, dunque avrebbe contribuito a creare le condizioni per fare convergere su Ratzinger il numero necessario di consensi, grazie anche all'autorevolezza esercitata all'interno del conclave soprattutto nell'ala "progressista"..
Una conferma si potrebbe cercare nelle parole del cardinale Ennio Antonelli, il primo a parlare, a un'emittente radiofonica toscana, dopo la fine del concistoro dicendo che, dentro, c'era stato "un clima di grande festa, unitą e comunione" e che era stata "un'elezione rapida, e questo parla da solo". Quel clima di unitą e comunione potrebbe indicare che si sia realmente verificata la convergenza fra Ratzinger e Martini, considerati fin dalla vigilia del conclave su posizioni pastorali diverse ma uniti da una conoscenza pluridecennale e da profonda stima reciproca temprata, proprio, dal confronto fra le rispettive posizioni.
Sta di fatto che "il nuovo Papa ha detto sģ al suo nuovo compito in maniera forte e decisa". A dirlo, premettendo perņ "non posso parlare di ciņ che č
avvenuto in conclave dopo la votazione", č il cardinale di Vienne Christopher Schoenborn, nel corso di una conferenza stampa all'indomane dell'elezione di Benedetto XVI. Ratzinger "era felice nell'accettare questo incarico senza riserva, e sa che fino alla morte porterą il peso di questa missione". "Non č una persona fredda come molti credono - ha aggiunto - č solo riservato. Per chi lo conosce, si possono intuire dalle sue espressioni i segni delle sue emozioni e io ringrazio Dio per aver scelto questo Papa".
Infine, Schoenborn ha sottolineato che "sarą il Papa della pace", perché la scelta del nome, Benedetto, "che noi proprio non ci aspettavamo, ha fatto riferimento allo sforzo di Benedetto XV per cercare la pace, uno sforzo che ha avuto poco successo. L'accenno va anche perņ a San Benedetto, patrono d'Europa e maestro nel seguire le orme di Cristo. La regola di San Benedetto dice di non anteporre nulla a Cristo. Ecco, pace e centralitą della figura del Cristo saranno i punti cardine sui quali si muoverą questo Papa".
( 20 aprile 2005)
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Apr 20, '05, 8:06 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Hi Papa!
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Apr 20, '05, 8:13 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Hi mtr01.
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Apr 20, '05, 8:15 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Yay!
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Apr 20, '05, 8:16 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
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Originally Posted by Ani Ibi
I'm posting this here before it disappears tomorrow. It's from LaRepubblica.it. Can someone translate it please?
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I babelfished it. It's goofy as usual, but you can at least get the gist until someone can translate...
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From the cardinals escapes from the conclave the indiscretions on the election the consents for the new Pontefice grown end from the second voting Ratzinger, nearly unanimitą Ballots "the much advanced" to the quorum In the convergence of the preferences, decisive contribution of Martini Schoenborn: "he has said yes to the new role in firm and decided way"
ROME - the Choice of the Saint Spirit has been manifested clearly when in conclave, to the third voting, has been practically grazed the quorum. Growing continuous, that one of the ballots for Joseph cardinal Ratzinger, since the first perusal of the cards. They do not want and they cannot say null, the cardinals who in these hours have left the residence of the Marta Saint who has accommodates them you for the duration, short, of the concistoro. But someone, more with the gesture that with the words, grants the detail decisive, that is that Benedict XVI has been elect with a number of ballots "much advanced one" to the necessary quorum - the two thirds party of the 115 constituents - fixed to 77. In those "much advanced one" is probably the sense of this conclave. To which the cardinals constituents are joints with the continuation of a campaign begun for-Ratzinger to Giovanni alive Paul II anchor although in deteriotated much conditions of health. And in this picture, when it has been intimato the extra omnes, the role, probable becomes part also, of the emerito archbishop of Milan, cardinal Carl Martini Maria. That for health reasons it seems preferred to decline the possibility to be elect to pontefice, therefore would have contributed to create the conditions in order to make to converge on Ratzinger the necessary number of consents, thanks also to the authority exercised to the inside of the conclave above all in the wing "progressive".. Confirmation could to try nelle words del cardinal Ennio Antonelli, first to speak, to issuing wireless Tuscany, after end del concistoro saying that, within, it had been "a climate of great festivity, unit and communion" and that it had been "a fast election, and this speaks from solo". That climate of unit and communion could indicate that really the convergence between Ratzinger and Martini has been taken place, considers end you from the eve of the conclave on pastorali positions various but joined from one pluridecennale acquaintance and deep tempered mutual esteem, just, from the comparison between the respective positions. It is of fact that "the new Pope has said yes to its new task in strong and decided way". To say it, preputting but "I cannot speak about that that has happened in conclave after the voting", is the cardinal of Vienne Christopher Schoenborn, in the course of a press conference to the indomane of the election of Benedict XVI. Ratzinger "was happy in accepting this assignment without reservoir, and knows that until death she will carry the weight of this mission". "she is not a cold person like many believe - he has added - is classified solo. For who he knows it, the signs of its emotions can be intuire from its expressions and I ringrazio God in order to have chosen this Pope ". Finally, Schoenborn has emphasized that "he will be the Pope of the peace", because the choice of the name, Benedict, "than we just did not expect, we have made reference the effort of Benedict XV in order to try the peace, a effort that he has had little happened. I point out goes also but to Saint Benedict, patron of Europe and master in following the tracks of Christ. The rule of Saint Benedict says not to put in front null Christ. Here, peace and centralitą of the figure of the Christ will be the points hinge on which muoverą this Pope ".
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Looks like according to this source, Pope Benedict was nearly a unanimous choice. It looks like the Holy Spirit spoke loudly and clearly...perhaps our adopt-a-cardinal program really worked
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Apr 20, '05, 8:18 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Dontcha love how he waves at us with both hands?
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Apr 20, '05, 8:20 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Oh, I spoke too soon.
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Apr 20, '05, 8:20 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
perhaps right before the picture in post #6
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Apr 20, '05, 8:25 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
No! He can't help himself. One hand isn't enough. I think he likes us.
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Apr 20, '05, 8:27 pm
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Re: Surprise! New Pope takes a walk through Rome
Oh this is a lovely foto.
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