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Old Nov 12, '10, 4:46 pm
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okay, so I am teaching myself latin through various online sources I have run into an issue.
I was checking my answers (i don't have an instructor to do it ya know) and so I used google translate ..the word is filia and according to the text i am learning from that means daughter. the "scentence" is filia amant which is supposed to mean the girl loves..but google responds with sons of Aman the
now i know that it has to be at least in some part wrong because filii is son ..

can you help either by suggesting a better translator to check myself with or even perhaps tell me what i am doing wrong.

Please and thank you

sorry i mistyped and added Ls
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Do you have any Latin textbooks? A really good one is Wheelock's Latin.... I have it from when I took a Latin course and it's considered to be the best one out there. http://www.wheelockslatin.com/ There is info on the website too, for free

If you want to say "the girl loves", you should say "puella amat", not "filia amant". Puella means girl, and filia means daughter. If you want to say "the daughter loves", it is "filia amat". The "ant" ending is used with "they", the "at" ending is used with he or she.

here is some info about the verb:

to love:
amo, amare, amavi, amatum

Singular:
amo - I love
amas - you love
amat - he/she loves

Plural:
amamus - we love
amatis - you (plural) love
amant - they love

There are more here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Append...st_conjugation

hope that helps!
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I just wanted to add...

there are two types of verbs... one type has an 'a' and another has an 'e'. They follow slightly different rules.

Type 1

To praise:

Laudo, laudare, laudavi, laudatum

Singular:
I - laudo
You - Laudas
He/She - Laudat

Plural:
We - Laudamus
You - Laudatis
They - Laudant

"to love" also follows this structure.

Type 2

To remind/advise/warn:

Moneo, monere, monui, monitum

Singular:
I - moneo
you - mones
he/she - monet

Plural:
we - monemus
you (pl.) - monetis
they - monent

then if you want to use the imperative mood (for giving commands), you just use the root of the verb, and add "te" if you're addressing more than one person. For example,

Singular:
lauda - praise!
mone - advise!

Plural:
Laudate - praise!
Monete - advise!


If you want to learn about adjectives, Wheelock's has a great section on that, it might be on the website as well
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THANK YOU !!
i meant daughter
the book that i am using says that to third person pluralize amat it becomes amant ..
so that daughter loves should be filia amant ..
and
the daughters love should be filiae amat
maybe i need a different book lol
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back to the drawing board .. thank you sooo much for the help.
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THANK YOU !!
i meant daughter
the book that i am using says that to third person pluralize amat it becomes amant ..
so that daughter loves should be filia amant ..
and
the daughters love should be filiae amat
maybe i need a different book lol
No probs

the book is right that to third person pluralize amat is amant... I think you just got them switched you have filia amat, and if you "third person pluralize it", you'll get filia amant for "the daughters love"
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I think "the daughters love" is "filiae amant".

Filia is singular.

Now, it has been a long time since highschool...

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oh I completely forgot about the ending on the noun.. yes the plural of filia is filiae, and the plural of puella is puellae. So it would be 'filia amat', or 'puella amat', and 'filiae amant', or 'puellae amant', depending on what you want to say
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the phrase filia amant does not make sense to me.
amant is the "they love"
filia is nominative or ablative for daughter.
but what do they love?

if they loved the daughter then the accusitive would be used "filiam"

So filiam amant means they love the daughter

filia cannot be nominative because then it would be saying "the daughter (singular) they (plural) love"

If the daughters (nominative plural) loved then it would be filiae amant as someone else said.

So i think we need a bit more context from the sentence to find out what is going on.

I'm a student myself so I might be wrong on this.
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Okay, I am delving way back into my memory here.

Filia is the correct form of the noun here, because the girl is DOING the action, and is the subject of the sentence, therefore the nominative case is required.

You are correct that the phrase needs a direct object. It is the direct object that would be in the accusative case, not the subject of the sentence.

So, if the girl loved the dog, girl would be nominative, and dog would be accusative because it was what is being loved.
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I GOT HELP YAY!!!
i stalked a priest from a nearby church that does only the latin mass . He was very nice and helped me a good bit. evidently i say latin as though spanish is my native tongue ... anywho .. i am getting much less lost and will bother him again i am sure

he really was awesome though

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