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Old Apr 24, '05, 8:44 pm
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Default Can a human be born without a soul?

Is there any reference in the old or new testiment to a person being born without a soul?
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No, every living person has an eternal soul. The question is where will this soul spend eternity? I know for sure where I'm going(heaven-purgatory doesn't exist), do you?
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Correct, but some children are born dead.
Stillborn.

A child who dies in childbirth qualifies, and this was common though generally not recorded.

The word for spirit (and by extension soul) is pneuma -- the loss of breath is pneumonia.
So you can see that physical death would be what is understood in the O.T.

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No, every living person has an eternal soul. The question is where will this soul spend eternity? I know for sure where I'm going(heaven-purgatory doesn't exist), do you?
You mean your going to hell? That's sad.
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Correct, but some children are born dead.
Stillborn.

A child who dies in childbirth qualifies, and this was common though generally not recorded.

The word for spirit (and by extension soul) is pneuma -- the loss of breath is pneumonia.
So you can see that physical death would be what is understood in the O.T.

hope that helps.
Interesting point. But I have always understood that stillborn babies had souls, but went to Purgatory because they died in an

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I think he meant that Purgatory doesn't exist, and he is going straight to Heaven.
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I think he meant that Purgatory doesn't exist, and he is going straight to Heaven.
Heaven-bound in Jesus Christ alone. Think of all that unmerited favor it takes to make what is dead(spiritually) alive, a new creation, "born-again", regenerated, justified, glorified, sealed with the Holy Spirit, seated in the heavenlies, made kings and priests unto God by Christ. The name that every knee will bow, every tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord.

To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord(ps. He's in heaven).

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Old Apr 25, '05, 7:21 am
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Interesting point. But I have always understood that stillborn babies had souls, but went to Purgatory because they died in an un-baptized state.
Stillborn infants do have souls, but as they die before birth, their souls are separated from their bodies. So then, when their bodies finally are born, they are born without a soul, which was what the questioner asked.

As to whether their souls go to Purgatory, I doubt it, but even if so that would be a moot point because Purgatory is a temporary state. Everyone who goes to purgatory eventually gets to Heaven.
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No, every living person has an eternal soul. The question is where will this soul spend eternity? I know for sure where I'm going(heaven-purgatory doesn't exist), do you?
Reread your orginal post. Your states heaven doesn't exsist. By your insult I assumed you some type of Godless sinner.

Now back to the subject. The question I'm asking is if there is a Biblical Reference to a human being without a soul or one the losses their soul before death?
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Stillborn infants do have souls, but as they die before birth, their souls are separated from their bodies. So then, when their bodies finally are born, they are born without a soul, which was what the questioner asked.

As to whether their souls go to Purgatory, I doubt it, but even if so that would be a moot point because Purgatory is a temporary state. Everyone who goes to purgatory eventually gets to Heaven.
I missed that point, my fault but it was an excellent point. I agree with you on Purgatory but I believe our views may be contrary to that of the Church. I know at one point the church believed that Purgatory was a permanent resting place for good people of the Islamic faith, the un-baptized, good people without faith, and even at one point Jews. But this is all from Dante. What is the current teaching?
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Is there any reference in the old or new testiment to a person being born without a soul?
Are you referring to the "golem" of the Kabbalistic texts? (Kabbalah is a sort of "hidden" mystical Jewish religion that has recently gained popularity with shallow celebrities -- Madonna is a practicioner. Think of "Jewish New Age.")

Definition: Artificially created (soulless) human being endowed with life by supernatural means.

According to Kabbalistic texts, Adam was supposedly a golem before God breathed life into him (thus giving him a soul). According to Kabbalah, one can create their own universe by creating golem using a system of magic based on something called Jacob's Wheel.

Some see the reference in Psalm 139:16 as being a reference to golem (unformed substance), but that's a stretch.

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Are you referring to the "golem" of the Kabbalistic texts? (Kabbalah is a sort of "hidden" mystical Jewish religion that has recently gained popularity with shallow celebrities -- Madonna is a practicioner. Think of "Jewish New Age.")

Definition: Artificially created (soulless) human being endowed with life by supernatural means.

According to Kabbalistic texts, Adam was supposedly a golem before God breathed life into him (thus giving him a soul). According to Kabbalah, one can create their own universe by creating golem using a system of magic based on something called Jacob's Wheel.

Some see the reference in Psalm 139:16 as being a reference to golem (unformed substance), but that's a stretch.

'thann

No, I'm just trying to learn something new.I don't have the answer, but it sounds like I need toread Psalm 139:16.

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No, every living person has an eternal soul. The question is where will this soul spend eternity? I know for sure where I'm going(heaven-purgatory doesn't exist), do you?
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No,everyone has a soul without exeption.
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What is a soul,is it some form of life producing energy that man has yet to discover and or understand???
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