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Old Jan 28, '11, 4:36 pm
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In this video the woman pretending to be a priest says that there is evidence that within the first 1200 years of the church women were ordained as priests. Is this true?

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Old Jan 28, '11, 4:38 pm
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In this video the woman pretending to be a priest says that there is evidence that within the first 1200 years of the church women were ordained as priests. Is this true?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EuJ5...rec_grec_index
If you look at the tradition in the East where facial hair is mandatory for one to become a priest, I don't know how women can become priests back then. Must be a really hairy woman
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Old Jan 28, '11, 5:05 pm
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I know... why would I believe a fake priest anyway...
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First, she doesn't say women were previously ordained to the priesthood in the video - only that they were "ordained".

She's trying to distort evidence of Deaconesses in the early Church , which was never considered formal ordination, although they served an important function.

Here it is condensed , as it appears in Father John Hardon, SJ's Modern Catholic Dicitonary (bolds mine):

DEACONESS.

A woman officially charged with certain functions in the Church. St. Paul speaks of Phoebe as one who ministered to the church at Cenchrae (Romans 16:1), but the term "deaconess" did not come into use until the fourth century.
Gradually the office developed and was recognized by the Church. Among other duties a deaconess devoted herself to the care of the sick and the poor of her sex; she was present at interviews of women with bishops, priests, or deacons; instructed women catechumens and kept order in the women's part of a church. Her most important function was at the baptism of women, where she assisted the deacons. But as adult baptisms declined, deaconesses became less prominent. The decline was accelerated by the abuses that crept in where deaconesses arrogated to themselves ministerial functions, e.g., among the Monophysites and Nestorians, where they administered Holy Communion, read the Scriptures, and preached. Several regional council abrogated the office, which was never a formal ordination, but deaconesses were found in the West until the eleventh century. In the East, where the privileges of deaconesses were more pronounced, including investiture with the state and distribution of the chalice, the decline was slower.

In Protestantism deaconesses date from the nineteenth century. And among the Anglicans they are admitted by the episcopal imposition of hands conferring lifelong status.


We can be sure, that if our loving Lord was going to ordain women to the priesthood, our Blessed Mother - the Virgin Mary, would have been the first one ordained.
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Old Jan 28, '11, 5:30 pm
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Here is a little more in depth explanation of what the Opus Dei priest was explaining on the video in this Declaration issued by the Congregation For the Doctrine of the Faith in 1976 .
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Also another source of confusion could be that in the East, the wife of a priest is called Presbytera, which literally means priestess in Greek. Of course, she is not a priest, just the wife of one.
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is the order against women priests a Church Doctrine or simply a discipline?
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It's not an order against women priests. It's a doctrine of an all male priest hood. It is not a discipline and the Church has held that she has no authority to change it.
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is the order against women priests a Church Doctrine or simply a discipline?
It is not a discipline. It is a Doctrine and a Tradition that canno't be change by any pope or bishop. John Paul II issue a document which he specifally stated that the Church has no authority whatsoever to change this. That means that any argument is a waste of time because it is a change that canno't will not happen.
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is the order against women priests a Church Doctrine or simply a discipline?
"Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful." (Pope John Paul II, emphasis mine)

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/jo...otalis_en.html

Should clear up any remaining confusion. It was never done, cannot be done now, and never can be done.
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wasnt it said that any women priest or people "ordain" them, they are automatically excommunicated?
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wasnt it said that any women priest or people "ordain" them, they are automatically excommunicated?
Yes they are. It's called excommunication latae sententiae. I don't have the list, but there are, I think, about 10 actions that result in an automatic self-excommunication, abortion and attacking the pope or a bishop come to mind as well.
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is the order against women priests a Church Doctrine or simply a discipline?
The doctrine is that Christ did not authorized the Church to ordain women to priesthood.

Also doctrine that we have no right to add anything to Christ's teaching. Part of this teaching is not written in the holy Bible, and remained only as oral tradition (written down by the Church' Fathers).

The deaconesses are different matter. They assisted in baptism and in the Last Unction of women; also at the community meal in the early Church. They were ordained but not for priesthood.

The reason for the male only priesthood is not revealed, but this is not the only part of the faith without rational background. The only thing we know that the priest is in some way the alter ego of Jesus Christ, and He is the Son of God and the son of a woman. We feel that He cannot be the daughter of God and also the daughter of a man. Men does not form the body of their children, only women do.
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There's evidence for priestesses just like there's evidence for Pope Joan I. It doesn't exist. This was actually one of the things that set Christianity apart from the pagan religions of the day. Most pagan religions allowed priestesses, and when Christianity wouldn't, it was regarded as a novelty. Some people will say anything to support their side.

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Women were not even allowed to speak in Church, nevermind become a priest.

These "ordinations" are invalid - or as Pope Leo XIII would say; about as valid as Anglican Orders. These people are best ignored in their errors, and at the same time we should try and convert them to the Catholic faith, not one they have made up themselves "based on" the Catholic faith.
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