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Old Feb 20, '11, 2:03 pm
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Default Who or what are the false pagan gods?

The Egyptian gods in the OT, Baal and others that were worshipped by the pagans. Does the Catholic church have an official position on exactly what these entities were? Were they simply made up by the people? Demons? Does the church have an official position on this?
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I am not certain about the official teaching.

But I do know that a lot of records show that the christian population considered the pagan gods to be as demons. I know that one of the fundamental reasons behind the lack of three dimensional images in the eastern churches was the repulsion away from the idols of the pagans which were considered to be vessels for demons. (or gods by pagans)

Now not knowing the official teaching, I cannot be authoritative. But i would hazard a guess that the official teaching is something of a combination of worship of malevolant entities and figments of human imagination striving towards God but veering in ignorance into worship of creation instead of creator.
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Does the Catholic church have an official position on exactly what these entities were?
No. The Catholic Church has no authority to speak to the nature of pagan deities, except to say that we acknowledge the "one true God" and all other deities are (by definition) false.

They might be myths or they might be demons, but the Church has no authority to say one way or another.
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Abortion as Pagan Sacrifice

by Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.
We know what the word “sacrifice” means. It means the surrender of something precious to the god in whom a person believes. Sacrifices have been part of world religions since the dawn of recorded history. Without exception, the deities of all the religions of the ancient world demanded sacrifices in their honor. The Egyptians and Babylonians, the Greeks and Romans, the deities of pre-Christian India and of the continent of Africa required that their adherents offer what we call sacrifices in their name.

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They were the false gods worshipped by those who did not know the true nature of God.

The Romans/Greeks were quite pious in their worship, at least in their early days. They built massive temples in which to worship and they sacrificed to them. The Parthenon, for example, was built to worship the patron goddess of Athens, Athena. The whole of the mount of the Parthenon is covered with temples to various Greek gods, with the Parthenon dominating.

They had rituals to be observed for each. There was a priesthood which did the sacrificing and who read the omens in the blood of the animals. Female gods had priestesses. They all had their particular areas of concern, like Neptune, God of the Sea was consulted for sea journeys, or fishing and Mars for war.

The people the Romans called barbarians had their own sets of gods/goddesses, like Morrigan for the Celts or Odin for the Norse.

What I understand that the Church says, at least about some of them, is that the pagans gave them names and worshipped them because although they recognised the existence of God, their perception of Him was very imperfect. I believe Paul addresses this in some of his letters, that they worshiped what they did not know.

Others, like Baal/Moloch, imho, were demons masquerading. The difference can be seen in the type of worship demanded. While the Greek/Roman pantheon required moral living and punished people for their sins, Baal wanted human sacrifice.

Still others, would carve a rock or a piece of wood and call it a god. These were the idols. I think these people were con artists, doing it for what they could get by deceiving people into giving them things ostensibly to worship the god. Unfortunately, some people actually believed that pieces of wood or stone really could supernaturally affect their lives.

Some people, even today, offer to idols. I had a Buddhist friend once who offered food to her statue of Buddha.

For us, we must be on guard that we do not place other things in the place of God, such as the pursuit of riches, or happiness or vengeance. These things can become false gods for us when we sacrifice what is precious to us to attain them.
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Thank you all for the good responses. And I agree, abortion can easily be seen as sacrificing one's children to a pagan god.

It appears there is no official teaching. I disagree that the church does not have the authority to make that determination; but she evidently hasn't done so which is fine. I figured if she had I would find out about it here.

I like the understanding that while some were denomic others perhaps were simply people trying to understand a higher being, and not all are necessarily the same.
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Isn't there at least one psalm that equates the gods of the Gentiles to demons? Question is whether the psalmist was simply meaning the gods of the Gentile nations immediately around him or whether he was thinking *all* pagan gods were precisely equivalent to demons? Thoughts?
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I would think that you'd find what you are asking for in the following section of the Catechism.
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PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

CHAPTER ONE
"YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"

ARTICLE 1
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT


I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.3 It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."4
I. "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"
2084 God makes himself known by recalling his all-powerful loving, and liberating action in the history of the one he addresses: "I brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." The first word contains the first commandment of the Law: "You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him. . . . You shall not go after other gods."5 God's first call and just demand is that man accept him and worship him.
2085 The one and true God first reveals his glory to Israel.6 The revelation of the vocation and truth of man is linked to the revelation of God. Man's vocation is to make God manifest by acting in conformity with his creation "in the image and likeness of God":

There will never be another God, Trypho, and there has been no other since the world began . . . than he who made and ordered the universe. We do not think that our God is different from yours. He is the same who brought your fathers out of Egypt "by his powerful hand and his outstretched arm." We do not place our hope in some other god, for there is none, but in the same God as you do: the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.7 2086 "The first commandment embraces faith, hope, and charity. When we say 'God' we confess a constant, unchangeable being, always the same, faithful and just, without any evil. It follows that we must necessarily accept his words and have complete faith in him and acknowledge his authority. He is almighty, merciful, and infinitely beneficent. Who could not place all hope in him? Who could not love him when contemplating the treasures of goodness and love he has poured out on us? Hence the formula God employs in the Scripture at the beginning and end of his commandments: 'I am the LORD.'"8
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