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Old Jun 22, '11, 9:59 pm
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So I was talking on a thread when the subject of sodomy came up. Someone said that anal sex is always a mortal sin... intrinsically evil.

But I distinctly remember discussing the issue back in collage when I was in the Catholic Student Association, and one of my peers (a knowledgeable and devout Catholic) mentioned that anal sex is ok as long as it is used as marital foreplay and as long as the husband finishes inside his wife... same concept as oral sex.

Don't get me wrong, I think anal sex is totally gross and uncalled for (no offense to anyone), but I just got confused when I heard 2 opposing views, both coming from practicing Catholics. And so I got curious.

I don't want anyone's opinion. I want to know the Church's position on this, and an official source that proves it.

Is or is not the Church against anal sex in a scenario where a couple is married and using it as foreplay only?
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Old Jun 22, '11, 10:19 pm
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I'm pretty sure the Church does not have an official, documented opinion on this matter.

There will be plenty of theologians (and others including forum members) who will voice an opinion either way, but I just don't think you'll find anything official.
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Old Jun 22, '11, 10:36 pm
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I'm pretty sure the Church does not have an official, documented opinion on this matter.

There will be plenty of theologians (and others including forum members) who will voice an opinion either way, but I just don't think you'll find anything official.
But isn't there some official rule saying that anything (foreplay wise) in the bedroom is fine as long as the man finishes in the right place? At least I'm pretty sure the Theology of the Body says this.

And if there is no official rule saying that anal sex is an evil act in itself, shouldn't we be able to put 2 and 2 together?
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Old Jun 22, '11, 10:48 pm
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Right, many people put 2 and 2 together and conclude that it's OK (assuming both are happy with it, it is done safely, and it leads to proper intercourse). But you won't find anything "official" that says so, which is what you asked for.

I don't think you'll find anything "official" regarding foreplay either, but people put 2 and 2 together and conclude that provided sex is loving and open to life, that it does not contravene Church teaching or God's will.
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I ended up posting on your other thread: http://forums.catholic.com/showthrea...58#post8024158

You should only post in one forum, cross-posting confuses the situation and hampers discussion.

I probably should have made my post here though, as this seems the more appropriate forum.
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These threads always seem to miss the true nature of married sexuality.
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I ended up posting on your other thread: http://forums.catholic.com/showthrea...58#post8024158

You should only post in one forum, cross-posting confuses the situation and hampers discussion.

I probably should have made my post here though, as this seems the more appropriate forum.
Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to put it here or the family section, since this is about marriage but a moral issue as well. I apologize.
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These threads always seem to miss the true nature of married sexuality.
What do you mean?

I was just curious, that's all.
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So I was talking on a thread when the subject of sodomy came up. Someone said that anal sex is always a mortal sin... intrinsically evil.

But I distinctly remember discussing the issue back in collage when I was in the Catholic Student Association, and one of my peers (a knowledgeable and devout Catholic) mentioned that anal sex is ok as long as it is used as marital foreplay and as long as the husband finishes inside his wife... same concept as oral sex.

Don't get me wrong, I think anal sex is totally gross and uncalled for (no offense to anyone), but I just got confused when I heard 2 opposing views, both coming from practicing Catholics. And so I got curious.

Also, I don't want anyone's opinion. I want to know the Church's position on this, and an official source that proves it.

Is or is not the Church against anal sex in a scenario where a couple is married and using it as foreplay only?
It must be intrinsically evil for the following reasons.
  • Unlike oral sex, anal sex cannot be followed by vaginal sex for the completion of the act. The woman would be at risk for serious infection.
  • Anal sex is a violent act the puts the woman at risk of injuries such as fissures not to mention developing chronic incontinence.

There is no question that anal sex even in marriage violates the two great commandments.

I do not see how a man would want to do this. Even a child knows you shouldn't touch poo poo.
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It must be intrinsically evil for the following reasons.
  • Unlike oral sex, anal sex cannot be followed by vaginal sex for the completion of the act. The woman would be at risk for serious infection.
  • Anal sex is a violent act the puts the woman at risk of injuries such as fissures not to mention developing chronic incontinence.

There is no question that anal sex even in marriage violates the two great commandments.

I do not see how a man would want to do this. Even a child knows you shouldn't touch poo poo.
The medical consequences have absolutely no bearing on the determination of the intrinsic evil or non-evil of an act.

Besides, oral foreplay can certainly result in infections, so by that criteria and your logic, it should be excluded.

"Violent act"? Where do you get that? Sure, it can be, but vaginal intercourse can also be "violent", no?

I don't know why this activity would be attractive as foreplay either, but as far as being intrinsically evil...nope, not any more so than oral or manual foreplay.
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There is no such thing as the Catholic Kama Sutra. The Church is likely never going to produce a detailed and specific guide as to what is allowed in the marital bedroom. If they did, I think many, many people would be greatly scandalized.
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The medical consequences have absolutely no bearing on the determination of the intrinsic evil or non-evil of an act.

Besides, oral foreplay can certainly result in infections, so by that criteria and your logic, it should be excluded.
There is a risk of infection just by kissing, shaking hands, even sharing a towel. Those are just the risks of being alive. Oral sex with your own spouse (within Catholically acceptable limitations) is not any riskier unless there is an actual infection to transmit. Putting fecal matter into your wife's vagina is completely different. Fecal matter has things like e-coli; fecal matter is infectious. Baby girls have to have there bottoms wiped away from their vagina for this very reason. Adult women do not have any special immunity to fecal matter entering their vagina.

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"Violent act"? Where do you get that? Sure, it can be, but vaginal intercourse can also be "violent", no?
Vaginal intercourse has the possibility of being violent but is not by nature violent. Anal intercourse is always violent. The act itself places dangerous stress on the sphincter muscle.

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I don't know why this activity would be attractive as foreplay either, but as far as being intrinsically evil...nope, not any more so than oral or manual foreplay.
A husband should not use or abuse his wife merely for pleasure. A husband is supposed to love his wife as Christ loves his Church. Anal sex is intrinsically harmful and therefore it is intrinsically evil.
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There is a risk of infection just by kissing, shaking hands, even sharing a towel. Those are just the risks of being alive. Oral sex with your own spouse (within Catholically acceptable limitations) is not any riskier unless there is an actual infection to transmit. Putting fecal matter into your wife's vagina is completely different. Fecal matter has things like e-coli; fecal matter is infectious. Baby girls have to have there bottoms wiped away from their vagina for this very reason. Adult women do not have any special immunity to fecal matter entering their vagina.

Vaginal intercourse has the possibility of being violent but is not by nature violent. Anal intercourse is always violent. The act itself places dangerous stress on the sphincter muscle.



A husband should not use or abuse his wife merely for pleasure. A husband is supposed to love his wife as Christ loves his Church. Anal sex is intrinsically harmful and therefore it is intrinsically evil.
AMEN!! Not to mention anal sex is unnatural. The anus was not meant to be a substitute vagina. It's a sick, sinful act and that's all there is to it, IMO!!
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To play devils advocate regarding the objections:

Anal sex followed by vaginal sex can arguably be made safe by using a condom for the anal sex and discarding it prior to vaginal sex.

If the woman does not enjoy anal sex, I agree that it is not justifiable. But if she does enjoy it, that objection does not hold.

As to whether anal sex is violent...well, some people might enjoy "rough" sex, and as long as it is done safely and lovingly, why would that be inherently wrong?


I'm not advocating anal sex and it's not something my wife and I do, or will do. But I think the objections raised can possibly be answered by a couple who lovingly decide together that it's something that they will enjoy doing, can do it safely, and will complete the act in the proper manner.

However, if there is a strong medical opinion that anal sex absolutely cannot be done safely with regard to infection and/or the violence of the act, then there would be a strong case against it.
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Old Jun 23, '11, 6:29 pm
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Kind of an icky subject, but here's my take.

I doubt it's directly forbidden as long as the act is completed by natural sex.

However, there's more problems with it than just the risk of infection. The colon is not built for it. It's not shaped right, the musculature and lubrication are not right and the tissues are delicate. The vagina is built for it and is much stronger and more flexible. In addition, it has the right kind and amount of lubricant for the most part.

Anal sex does not seem like a good idea to me at all.
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