ethics/politics Kingdom of God?

DPMartin · #1 Jun 23, '11, 8:05 am

Is there ethics and politics in the Kingdom of God?

**tonyrey** · #2 Jun 23, '11, 8:21 am

Why would they be necessary?

fhansen · #3 Jun 23, '11, 11:57 am

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Originally Posted by DPMartin

Is there ethics and politics in the Kingdom of God?

There's love in the Kingdom of God. Everything is governed by that reality.

hazcompat · #4 Jun 23, '11, 12:00 pm

No

peace

DPMartin · #5 Jun 24, '11, 7:37 am

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Originally Posted by tonyrey

Why would they be necessary?

tonyrey

thanks for the reply

Since you must have Faith (trust) to please God, trust in what? To trust, entrust and be intrusted successfully is the key to acting ethically. Wasn’t Peter entrusted? Doesn’t it please God the Father to see us do, according to His Will. Which requires us to Trust Him, or we would not do.

Also wasn’t King Saul entrusted, and when Saul was questioned on the matter of giving booty to the Israelites. Was he ethical with what he was entrusted with? When he insisted because he had authority to make that decision, and insisted that it was good for his own reasons and did not admit he was in error and did not ask how it could be corrected. King David, on the other hand, would not take action without the Lord’s approval and if he was found in error admitted so and repented thereof. Being entrusted, trusting the Truth of God, the Word of God, more so then his own judgements and authority as King. It seemed that Saul thought to keep the throne, unto himself and his. David recognized the he was entrust with what is the Lord’s.

If you are born into the Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom is the Lord’s, are you entrust with?

DPMartin · #6 Jun 24, '11, 8:17 am

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Originally Posted by fhansen

There's love in the Kingdom of God. Everything is governed by that reality.

Love of what? You can't love nothing, something has to be the result of Love.

DPMartin · #7 Jun 24, '11, 8:24 am

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Originally Posted by hazcompat

No

peace

hazcompat

thanks for the reply

Who’s Peace, and Peace with what?

The Kingdom of God is at hand, therefore His will be done in earth as it is in Heaven. If you know not the Kingdom and how things are done according to God’s Will done in Heaven, then how can you know God’s Will now while you are in the earth?

(from the Burgh, go Steelers)

fhansen · #8 Jun 24, '11, 9:45 am

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Originally Posted by DPMartin

Love of what? You can't love nothing, something has to be the result of Love.

Love of God, of course.

GratefulFred · #9 Jun 24, '11, 1:43 pm

If we agree that the Kingdom of God is Heaven, there is no need for ethics and politics in Heaven.

This is so, because we are then in the presence of God Himself, free from any sin and free from the ability to sin. The total 100% object of our capacity to Love completely is God because we are in His presence for all eternity in the communion of all Saints.

And THAT surely beats eternal Hell by all measures.

And THAT is why I thank Jesus Christ daily for the eternal salvation He won for us. The Hope of eternal Heaven motivates me to do my best to live THIS life according to Christ's expectations so that I do not end up rejecting His offer of eternal Heaven.

DPMartin · #10 Jun 25, '11, 5:43 am

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Originally Posted by fhansen

Love of God, of course.

fhansen
thanks for the reply

If you love to be with Him now, then you will love to be with Him later. If you don’t love to be with Him now, then you will not love to be with Him later. And where is the Lord our God? Isn’t He in Heaven? The Apostles loved to be with Him, and that same relationship has been given through His Word in His Spirit.

1John:1:3: That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4: And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

fhansen · #11 Jun 25, '11, 6:24 am

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Originally Posted by DPMartin

fhansen
thanks for the reply

If you love to be with Him now, then you will love to be with Him later. If you don’t love to be with Him now, then you will not love to be with Him later. And where is the Lord our God? Isn’t He in Heaven? The Apostles loved to be with Him, and that same relationship has been given through His Word in His Spirit.

1John:1:3: That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4: And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

So this is nothing new. What's the point and how does your reply relate to the OP?

DPMartin · #12 Jun 25, '11, 8:29 am

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Originally Posted by GratefulFred

If we agree that the Kingdom of God is Heaven, there is no need for ethics and politics in Heaven.

This is so, because we are then in the presence of God Himself, free from any sin and free from the ability to sin. The total 100% object of our capacity to Love completely is God because we are in His presence for all eternity in the communion of all Saints.

And THAT surely beats eternal Hell by all measures.

And THAT is why I thank Jesus Christ daily for the eternal salvation He won for us. The Hope of eternal Heaven motivates me to do my best to live THIS life according to Christ's expectations so that I do not end up rejecting His offer of eternal Heaven.

GratefulFred
thanks for the reply

Seems we are a little perturbed at the choices of others. Reconciliation in the Lord is not with the angry and hostile my friend.

There has to be a Way of Peace that is of God and there has to be a Way of Righteousness that is of God. And it can be known, Now, or He would not tell to follow His who is the Peace of God to mankind and the Righteousness of God. And no I do not agree with the statement “there is no need for ethics and politics in Heaven.”

Politics: 2. Characterized by policy; of persons, Apt at pursuing a policy; sagacious, prudent, shrewd; of actions or things, Judicious, expedient, skilfully contrived. a. In political or public affairs.

Are you saying that the Lord God does not do this with His People? Didn’t Jesus tell us that Now is our time?

You actually believe that the Way’s of the Lord, His Statutes and Principles that He has clearly stated are His, have nothing to do with these concepts?

Ethic:

2. Of an author or literary work: Treating of moral questions, and of ethics as a science

3. In narrower sense, with some qualifying word or phrase: a. The moral principles or system of a particular leader or school of thought.

b. The moral principles by which a person is guided.

c. The rules of conduct recognized in certain associations or departments of human life.

4. In wider sense: The whole field of moral science, including besides Ethics properly so called, the science of law whether civil, political, or international.

DPMartin · #13 Jun 25, '11, 8:44 am

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Originally Posted by fhansen

So this is nothing new. What's the point and how does your reply relate to the OP?

fhansen
thanks for the reply

If that’s your insistence then, is there ethics and politics in the Kingdom of God? Of which you have not considered in response, nor addressed.

fhansen · #14 Jun 25, '11, 10:41 am

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Originally Posted by DPMartin

fhansen
thanks for the reply

If that’s your insistence then, is there ethics and politics in the Kingdom of God? Of which you have not considered in response, nor addressed.

Of course I did. Love is the fulfillment of the Law. If I love I don't need to be conscious of ethics-it's already done, because I'll have no desire to be unethical. When all is consummated, because all of creation is in alignment with Gods will, the old has totally passed away and the new has come. What need is there for politics when God is king?

GratefulFred · #15 Jun 25, '11, 1:56 pm

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Originally Posted by DPMartin

And no I do not agree with the statement “there is no need for ethics and politics in Heaven.”

Politics: 2. Characterized by policy; of persons, Apt at pursuing a policy; sagacious, prudent, shrewd; of actions or things, Judicious, expedient, skilfully contrived. a. In political or public affairs.

Are you saying that the Lord God does not do this with His People? Didn’t Jesus tell us that Now is our time?

You actually believe that the Way’s of the Lord, His Statutes and Principles that He has clearly stated are His, have nothing to do with these concepts?

Ethic:

2. Of an author or literary work: Treating of moral questions, and of ethics as a science

3. In narrower sense, with some qualifying word or phrase: a. The moral principles or system of a particular leader or school of thought.

b. The moral principles by which a person is guided.
c. The rules of conduct recognized in certain associations or departments of human life.

4. In wider sense: The whole field of moral science, including besides Ethics properly so called, the science of law whether civil, political, or international.

I see Heaven, Earth, and Hell as 3 separate places.

Here on Earth we do need Ethics and Politics. The absolute best, and best by far, are the teachings of Jesus Christ. But we live in a world where many do not know Christ, and some ignore Him, and some reject Him. So we tend to see Ethics and Politics as a secular paradyme devoid of outward reference to God or His Son Jesus Christ. See what the New York Legislature passed yesterday.

Those in Heaven have exercised their free will in making ethical and political choices well enough in agreement with the teachings of Christ and have made retribution for whatever sins they committed while on earth.

Thus, in HEAVEN we are totally free from any danger of making bad choices and thus we no longer need ethics and politics as we knew them while on earth.

It is impossible to think or do any wrong in the immediate presence of God. That is our reward.

Caveat: This is my personal understanding. I am not well schooled in the matter. Perhaps others could confirm or correct and cite authority.