Benedict 'Nazi' cartoon hate propaganda or satire?

[ThornGenX]

I can't even come up with anything else to say but I found that cartoon very offensive. Add my email to the list telling them how much.

[WanderAimlessly]

From what I have read on what is going on in Canada, I will not be supprised if the ones who complain are charged with hate crimes. The way things are going there, it seems that the Church will be designated a hate organization in a couple of years.

It should be interesting, I will be moving to near Detroit on Tuesday. I know I can get a couple of the radio stations in Canada so I will be able to hear more of what is going on there.

Maybe it is time to start Radio Free Canada.

PF

[Ani Ibi]

Rebick has replied. She says the cartoon is satire not hate and the only ones who think it is hate are "those Catholic nuts."
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimate...&f=37&t=000464

Scroll down to a poster called Reality Bites and read his horrifying comment. And it gets uglier.

For the 'Catholic nuts' comment:
http://www.ircspy.com/default.asp#Catholics%20outraged%20over% 20Nazi/Pope%20cartoon

[otm]

given all the brown stuff that is being shoveled at the Church due to that law, it would be nice to see the tables turned and someone else brought up to heel. It will be interesting to see if there is any response.

[BLB_Oregon]

The relationship between the Holy Father and our Blessed Mother, likened to that between Goebels and Hitler?! I can't even bring myself to go look at it. Offensive doesn't even start to describe the mere idea.

Words fail me. Father forgive her, she cannot know what she's doing.

[Ani Ibi]

Originally Posted by BLB_Oregon

The relationship between the Holy Father and our Blessed Mother, likened to that between Goebels and Hitler?! I can't even bring myself to go look at it. Offensive doesn't even start to describe the mere idea.

Words fail me. Father forgive her, she cannot know what she's doing.

I've written everyone I can. I phoned my member of parliament this morning. This afternoon, I even phoned the nearest Conservative member of parliament who ended up being in Oshawa: Colin Carrie. Apparently last summer he had a run in with Rebick's website. They were trashmouthing him for being a Catholic and having been a Knight of Columbus. They dealt with the individual to their satisfaction.

I dunno. I think I know what it was like to live in Nazi Germany, seeing what I see, knowing what I know, feeling what I feel, believing what I believe and looking at the world going to Hell in a handbasket. At least Schindler was able to do something.

I've been reading this by Cardinal Aloysius Ambrozic.
http://www.archtoronto.org/sec/people.htm

"Never Cowed by the Threats of the Wicked"

April 1993

I have often asked myself what it is that makes a martyr suffer most. There is physical suffering of course, torture or imprisonment, isolation, questioning, humiliation and, eventually, death. It does not require much imagination, however, to sense the enemy within the martyr's own heart and mind: he or she is helpless and powerless, feeling entirely alone. The perceived public opinion scoffs at the martyr and at the reasons for his acceptance of suffering, for persecutors hold power not only over the martyr but also over the public square, intimidating people into compliance or silence. The martyr is thus sorely tempted to look upon himself as both a loser and a fool: a more "reasonable" stance would save him a lot of trouble; many of his friends and acquaintances have chosen to be "sensible", and they are being allowed to live in relative freedom.

Death is the ultimate defeat: whatever the justice of the martyr's cause, and in spite of his conviction that in the long run that cause will be seen to be just, he will not be alive to see its triumph or justification, while his enemies are surviving and triumphing, imagining their victory to show their cause to be right. The martyr's ability to overcome the inner temptations may well demand greater heroism than the strength to withstand physical torture and deprivation. We know for instance that Franz Jägerstätter, waiting for his execution because of his refusal to serve in Hitler's army, was very happy to hear of another man condemned to death for the same reason. Seeing martyrs long after their death in the glow of their recognized heroism, we tend to forget that there was no applause accompanying their forlorn and lonely execution.

We can safely claim that our own century has seen more martyrs than any of the nineteen centuries before it. Their death has been inescapably lonely and outwardly humiliating, often unrecognized even by fellow-Christians. Examples of this lack of recognition abound: we can think of the American priest posing for pictures in the Hanoi Cathedral, imagining himself to be a pacifist hero, while hundreds and thousands of his fellow-priests were doing "corrective labour" in concentration camps. During the worst excesses of the Chinese cultural revolution some among us "courageously" examined the conscience of a Church which was being battered to death. It is equally sad to see how quickly some are willing to suspect as Marxist the people struggling for social justice in Latin America. Who might be closest to martyrdom in our own situation? Would it be those who struggle for the life of the unborn? They may at times be carried away in their zeal appearing to claim that "it is either their way or no way". If it were not for them, however, our Church would be as mealy-mouthingly ineffective on pro-life issues as is many another Christian community. Our pro-life people are not daunted by the haughty disdain of the media, nor are they afraid of being branded as zealots. We may be tempted to seize upon one or another tactic of theirs as an excuse for not speaking out more often, failing to consider the possibility that our silence is forcing them to be more vocal. We ought to ask ourselves whether our "reasonableness" might be due to our fear of public opinion. Were it not for our sisters and brothers in the pro-life trenches, we, the "sensible ones", would become the object of attack -- if our politically correct media should think us worth attacking.

[Jayson]

After reading those posts on the Rabble site I am not mad. I am terribly sad. Terribly.

I must try to remain hopeful.

I wonder how difficult it will be to be a Canadian catholic in 10 years.

[Ani Ibi]

Originally Posted by Jayson

After reading those posts on the Rabble site I am not mad. I am terribly sad. Terribly.

I must try to remain hopeful.

I wonder how difficult it will be to be a Canadian catholic in 10 years.

It gets worse. Here is the babble response to the Catholic Civil Rights League letter:

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimate...&f=15&t=000639

[Jayson]

It sounds like a bunch of kids who are mad at their mother for not letting them go to the prom with a thiry year old with a trans am.

Still, this will only get worse.

[Sarah Jane]

Very very sad

[bones_IV]

Originally Posted by Jayson

It sounds like a bunch of kids who are mad at their mother for not letting them go to the prom with a thiry year old with a trans am.

Still, this will only get worse.

Tell me about it.

[Sarah Jane]

Ottawa Rabbi Defends Pope Benedict Against “horrible” Cartoon

OTTAWA, May 30, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Rabbi Reuven Bulka, host of the TV series “In Good Faith” and the weekly radio program “Sunday Night with Rabbi Bulka”, has denounced a recent cartoon which depicted Pope Benedict giving the Nazi salute to a statue of Mary. Rabbi Bulk called the cartoon “horrible, unwanted and an inexcusable insult” saying “there is no room for this type of satire in this civilized world”.

The inflammatory cartoon short by Mike Constable, entitled “Heil Mary”, was posted on rabble.ca, a site published by feminist Judy Rebick. The cartoon opens with the words “A Creature of Habits” splayed across the screen and a giant statue of Mary. Pope Benedict XVI then marches up to the statue and gives it a Nazi salute.

Rabbi Bulka continued saying "How dare Rebick and her cohorts play loose with all this, with the Pope's dignity and with the life of devotion he has led and continues to lead." (...)

Source : http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/may/05053006.html

[Jayson]

Excellent. She's a feminist.

The Pope is too Catholic. Ha!

[Richardols]

The cartoon is offensive and stupid, but the notion of prosecuting the cartoonist is equally offensive and stupid.

Maybe the Canadians can abide censorship, but in this country, our most valuable right is that guaranteed by the 1st Amendment, the right of free-expression, howsoever mild or offensive.

BTW, in my opinion, the cartoon is neither hate nor satire, but juvenile, akin to a nine-year-old writing ka-ka words on a wall.

[Jayson]

The cartoon didn't offend me as much as the comments on the page's forums.

things like "we should start shutting down churches" and the like.