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Old Dec 20, '11, 3:59 pm
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Default Re: Why won't Catholic Apologists debate James White?

It does seem like the current crop of C.A.F. apologist tend to avoid Dr. White. The only debate I can speak of, was nothing to actually speak of...
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I believe they avoid him because of the venom he spews forth in his attacks against the Church, it's quite repulsive, much like John MacArthur.

One of the best debates I have ever seen on this issue was w/Francis Beckwith and a man who's name escapes me, I'll see if I can look it up. I thought it was excellent because you could see the respect the men had for each other, as well as for their faith traditions.
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I believe they avoid him because of the venom he spews forth in his attacks against the Church, it's quite repulsive, much like John MacArthur.

One of the best debates I have ever seen on this issue was w/Francis Beckwith and a man who's name escapes me, I'll see if I can look it up. I thought it was excellent because you could see the respect the men had for each other, as well as for their faith traditions.
They are Catholic Apologist, they should have a stronger stomach then that. If they can't debate Dr. White due to his ad hominems attacks - which have always been his strategy - then they have no business being an apologist.

Honestly, Staples has never debated very well against Dr. White. In the 1996 sola scriptura debate it was close, the edge going to Dr. White, in 2000 during the papal infallibility debate, it was hands down Dr. White.

I have not personally heard the Akin/White debate, but, I have heard/read that it was all Dr. White, ridiculously so.

In my opinion, Dr. Sungenis has always been able to handle Dr. White (the Justification debate is a classic) far better then any apologist at CAF. In fact, I think not long after Staples debated Dr. White on papal infallibility, Dr. Sungenis Debated Dr. White on the same subject, and swept the floor whit him. These modernistic and 'PC" apologist, such as staples, just can't handle the likes of Dr. White, and I don't blame them for not wanting to make fools of themselves.
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Maybe we need more men becoming professional apologists .
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In my opinion, Dr. Sungenis has always been able to handle Dr. White (the Justification debate is a classic) far better then any apologist at CAF.
Reading his Wiki, he apparently has controversial anti-Semitic views and downplays if not denies the Holocaust. Are you sure we should be watching this guy?
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Maybe we need more men becoming professional apologists .
Yes indeed. As of now, Dr. Sungenis is holding the fort,
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Reading his Wiki, he apparently has controversial anti-Semitic views and downplays if not denies the Holocaust. Are you sure we should be watching this guy?
Yes. Read his work for yourself, then make your decision on whether or not he is anti-semitic. The fact is, is that he is not intimidated by the truth of the matter.
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Yes. Read his work for yourself, then make your decision on whether or not he is anti-semitic. The fact is, is that he is not intimidated by the truth of the matter.


Watching his video on YouTube: "Dr. Sungenis humiliates Matt Slick"

From 20 minutes onward, I'm just bursting out laughing because Sungenis just traps his argument, over and over again!
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Watching his video on YouTube: "Dr. Sungenis humiliates Matt Slick"

From 20 minutes onward, I'm just bursting out laughing because Sungenis just traps his argument, over and over again!
Yes, in the second debate - after Matt Slick discussed a strategy with Dr. White - Dr. Sungenis was obviously frustrated with Slicks approach to the debate, therefore he wasn't able to articulate his argument as well as in the first debate.

Also, that was when Dr. Sungenis was be ostracized by his fellow apologist... We did better with Dr. White.
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He's posting about us? Kind of hilarious. Since you're watching, Mr. White, part of the reason no one wants to debate you is due to your use of slurs like Romanism to refer to Catholics. Why would anyone bother debating someone whose going to call them names straight to their face?
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It does seem like the current crop of C.A.F. apologist tend to avoid Dr. White.
Actually, quite a few have debated him.

[quote Fr Pacwa debated him and it was reported the video was doctored so badly that you can actually see where they cut out Fr. Pacwa's answers.

Madrid did debate him and did very well.

Sungenis destroys White in 5 separate debates so White refuses to debate him any more.

Even Gary Machuta trounced White handily in the debate on the deuterocanonicals.

Eventually it will be "White? who is White" He's no white, he's always wong!! /quote]
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Sungenis destroys White in 5 separate debates so White refuses to debate him any more.

They have debated 8 times now, and Dr. Sungenis has done well in all of them. Hopefully, they will debate again soon.

I think there is a (little) mutual respect between the two given they are among the best in their respected fields.

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4581
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Sounds like this guy is very confident in debating but but when stumbles on the truth he doesn't like it so he avoids it. Why doesn't anyone debate him? Probably because its not worth their time, they are afraid of him, or maybe he like you said he denies real competition, while mowing down people weak in their faith. Which is a sad point that our fighters can't fight.
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This is what I was talking about earlier - he always seems to play the victim in this kind of thing. It's irritating - if he would focus more on his theology and apologetics, he would be a pretty good Calvinist debater, but it seems that he just wastes his time scanning message boards and seeing who is calling him names or something. Good grief. It gets a little tiring.
Obviously both sides are going to disagree - I just wish Mr. White would leave aside all the "poor me" rants and get to the nitty gritty.
I often check out aomin.org to see what's up in the world of Calvinist apologetics and the like, so I wrote my own thoughts down on a post he put up about St. John Chrysostom and St. Peter. I wanted to actually see if what he was saying was true, and engage it.
http://ascentofcarmel.blogspot.com/2...sostom-on.html
Check it out if you like. Maybe he will, and we'll see how charitably I get treated.
But all the mudslinging has to stop. Calvinists and Catholics are obviously not going to agree.
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I'm surprised by some of the Sungenis fans here, I haven't found his apologetic to be that remarkable personally. I'm cautious with his citations as well.
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I'm surprised by some of the Sungenis fans here, I haven't found his apologetic to be that remarkable personally. I'm cautious with his citations as well.

Are their any apologist whom you are not cautious with, in regards to their citations?
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