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Old Jul 20, '11, 8:55 am
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The music from the Mass of the Angels is unbelievable. How can anyone say that the singing with guitar and drums compare to this? I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. I see no reason this cannot be incorporated into the Novus Ordo Mass. You do not even need an expensive organ to do it either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85L3H31ylA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvSgPeVxXOc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyV01zXuW-A
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Old Jul 20, '11, 9:09 am
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I too love the Mass of the Angels - it's what is sung at our FSSP parish during High Mass in ordinary time.

Recently I purchased this CD, which starts with all of the Mass of the Angels songs. I put it on Play and drift off to sleep as I pray my three Hail Marys at night.

Gregorian Chant: The Definitive Collection - Benedictine Monks Of Silos
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Old Jul 20, '11, 9:13 am
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I just bought that same cd on my Ipad yesterday. That is what prompted me to post this.
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Old Jul 20, '11, 9:24 am
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The music from the Mass of the Angels is unbelievable. How can anyone say that the singing with guitar and drums compare to this? I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. I see no reason this cannot be incorporated into the Novus Ordo Mass. You do not even need an expensive organ to do it either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85L3H31ylA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvSgPeVxXOc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyV01zXuW-A
It's pretty, but unfortunately most of the Missa de Angelis is a late neogregorian fabrication. The Kyrie is from the 15th-16th century, the Gloria from the 16th, the Agnus Dei from the 15th. Only the Sanctus is actually relatively old, from the 11th-12th century. Now Mass I, that's more my style!
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Old Jul 20, '11, 9:34 am
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It's pretty, but unfortunately most of the Missa de Angelis is a late neogregorian fabrication. The Kyrie is from the 15th-16th century, the Gloria from the 16th, the Agnus Dei from the 15th. Only the Sanctus is actually relatively old, from the 11th-12th century. Now Mass I, that's more my style!
Feel free to let us know what a neogregorian fabrication is. What does it matter if it is from the 15th-16th century instead of the 11th or 12th. I am comparing it to the terrible music I hear at Mass now days.
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Old Jul 20, '11, 10:22 am
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Feel free to let us know what a neogregorian fabrication is. What does it matter if it is from the 15th-16th century instead of the 11th or 12th. I am comparing it to the terrible music I hear at Mass now days.
Oh, I thought you wanted a discussion of Mass VIII, not another gripefest about whatever music you hear at your parish.

As to the dating, I just thought it was worth pointing out that most of Mass VIII dates from circa the late Renaissance (whoever composed it might have gone to church the next week and heard the latest compositions by Palestrina or even Byrd), not from the era of organic composition of Gregorian melodies.
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Old Jul 20, '11, 10:51 am
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You obviously know way more about music then I do. So I had no intention of going deep into discussion with anyone about it. But you comment about it being "unfortunately a late neogregorian fabrication" as if most people have any idea what that means. I was wondering why music from the Mass of Angels is not heard more now days and why today's Mass couldn't incorporate it instead of what currently is used.
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Old Jul 20, '11, 10:54 am
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Since you do know so much about music and you brought it up, can you give us some background about the Mass of Angels and the Missa O Magnum Mysterium. I just started listening to the Missa O magnum Mysterium and I like it alot also.
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Neogregorian would simply indicate that it was composed in the Gregorian style but after that period of music history had concluded. The compositions may be completely in the older style or contain a few elements of later genres.

I don't take an issue with those who prefer this style, or singing in latin in the Ordinary Form (It's not called Novus Ordo), but I also think it's important to remember that the use of the vernacular is equally acceptable, along with more contemporary styles that follow the appropriate documents.
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I don't take an issue with those who prefer this style, or singing in latin in the Ordinary Form (It's not called Novus Ordo), but I also think it's important to remember that the use of the vernacular is equally acceptable, along with more contemporary styles that follow the appropriate documents.
Precisely. Many fail to realize that at one time everything is new. Nothing "new" just appears without some ties to what went before.

A "Can't See The Forest For The Trees Moment;"

"I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. "

How about receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist?
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This is the one I fall asleep to. The clanking thurible rhythm in the background is very relaxing.
http://youtu.be/NB-i_V9QPt8

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I don't take an issue with those who prefer this style, or singing in latin in the Ordinary Form (It's not called Novus Ordo), but I also think it's important to remember that the use of the vernacular is equally acceptable, along with more contemporary styles that follow the appropriate documents.
No it's not "equally acceptable". Gregorian Chant is to be given pride of place in the Mass, below it is polyphony.

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Old Jul 20, '11, 11:41 am
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Gregorian chant is beauitiful.

I use to play the organ at funeral and used The Mass of the Angels
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Old Jul 20, '11, 12:06 pm
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HUDSON.

Thank you so very much for the Latin of MaSS FOR THE aNGELS

It brought back many memories when I played the organ--again Thanks

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Old Jul 20, '11, 12:16 pm
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No it's not "equally acceptable". Gregorian Chant is to be given pride of place in the Mass, below it is polyphony.
I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Many things can be equal in their acceptance while remaining unequal in their preference.
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We use the Kyrie, Gloria and Sanctus from Mass VII at our ( OF) Parish.

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