Some questions about Eastern Catholic Church

[Paul theApostle]

Hi,i have some questions about the Eastern Catholics-

1) Can a Latin Catholic attend an Eastern Cath. Liturgy here and there or as a once off thing and recieve Communion or have confession there?

2) Were the original Bishops or members of the Eastern Catholics originally Eastern Orthodox Christians (united to the Orthodox Churches)?

3) Are the Daily/Sunday Scripture readings the same as Rome or the Orthodox Church?

4) on the Calender of saints (Church calender) are there +1054 Latin Saints ,and +1054 Eastern Orthodox Saints? Or Both?

5) And do East Cath Churches have icons or images of +1054 latin Saints and +1054 Orthodox saints in their Churches?

Thanks

[Friar David, O.Carm]

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

Hi,i have some questions about the Eastern Catholics-

1) Can a Latin Catholic attend an Eastern Cath. Liturgy here and there or as a once off thing and recieve Communion or have confession there?

Yes, any Catholic may attend any Catholic rite.

From the Code of Canon Law;

Can. 1248 §1 The obligation of assisting at Mass is satisfied wherever Mass is celebrated in a catholic rite either on a holyday itself or on the evening of the previous day.

2) Were the original Bishops or members of the Eastern Catholics originally Eastern Orthodox Christians (united to the Orthodox Churches)?

Each of the Eastern Catholic Churches, except for the Maronite, were part of an Orthodox Church and reunited at different times.

3) Are the Daily/Sunday Scripture readings the same as Rome or the Orthodox Church?

No.

4) on the Calender of saints (Church calender) are there +1054 Latin Saints ,and +1054 Eastern Orthodox Saints? Or Both?

No, the calendar of Saints particular according to the Church and may have saints that are not found on the Latin Church calendar but saints from the corresponding Orthodox Church that have been named after the date of reunion of the Eastern Catholic Church will most likely not be on the Eastern Catholic Church's calendar.

5) And do East Cath Churches have icons or images of +1054 latin Saints and +1054 Orthodox saints in their Churches?

They may have saints that are on their calendar but most likely will not have any for public adoration of saints not on their calendar but do not dissuade the faithful from private veneration of Orthodox saints.

Thanks

Hope I was of some help.

[Paul theApostle]

Thanks
,just with question 1,i heard that a latin Catholic must get some kind of transfer or blessing from the Church or bishop if he wanted to join the Eastern Cath Church,but im just thinking of going for a once off liturgy,i dont need a transfer for one visit there do i,and to be able to take Communion.

and with the Sunday gospel,is it different to both the Latins and the Orthodox?

[Friar David, O.Carm]

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

Thanks
,just with question 1,i heard that a latin Catholic must get some kind of transfer or blessing from the Church or bishop if he wanted to join the Eastern Cath Church,but im just thinking of going for a once off liturgy,i dont need a transfer for one visit there do i,and to be able to take Communion.

You would only need a transfer if you chose to change church membership. You do not need to do so to attend the Liturgy once or many times.

and with the Sunday gospel,is it different to both the Latins and the Orthodox?

The Lectionary is closer to what the Orthodox use but not identical in some cases.

[Vico]

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

Hi,i have some questions about the Eastern Catholics-

1) Can a Latin Catholic attend an Eastern Cath. Liturgy here and there or as a once off thing and recieve Communion or have confession there?

2) Were the original Bishops or members of the Eastern Catholics originally Eastern Orthodox Christians (united to the Orthodox Churches)?

3) Are the Daily/Sunday Scripture readings the same as Rome or the Orthodox Church?

4) on the Calender of saints (Church calender) are there +1054 Latin Saints ,and +1054 Eastern Orthodox Saints? Or Both?

5) And do East Cath Churches have icons or images of +1054 latin Saints and +1054 Orthodox saints in their Churches?

Thanks

Read here:

http://www.cnewa.org/default.aspx?ID...de=HQ&pageno=1

and for the lectionary:

http://www.byzcath.org/index.php?opt...=1383&Itemid=1

[Paul theApostle]

I read there about the Catholic Church uniting with the Armenians and Coptics,i know that the Orthodox are not in union with them because they are "monophosites",

Was this "monophosite' belief a non-issue with the Catholics who accepted union with them?

I read that the unions didnt suceed.

Are the Coptics and Armenians in union now with Rome breakaways from the original Copt and Armenian church and are they still "monophosites'?

sorry ,sometimes i cant understand properly when i read things.

[ConstantineTG]

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

Hi,i have some questions about the Eastern Catholics-

1) Can a Latin Catholic attend an Eastern Cath. Liturgy here and there or as a once off thing and recieve Communion or have confession there?

Yes. Canon Law supports this saying any Roman Catholic can fulfill their Sunday Obligation in any "Mass of any Catholic Rite". By Mass they mean Eucharistic Liturgy, so this is the Divine Liturgy of the Byzantine Catholics, but not Vespers nor Matins.

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

2) Were the original Bishops or members of the Eastern Catholics originally Eastern Orthodox Christians (united to the Orthodox Churches)?

Today, no. But those that came into union, some of them are. Others were just laity and perhaps some priest, and they were assigned a Latin Bishop to oversee them.

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

3) Are the Daily/Sunday Scripture readings the same as Rome or the Orthodox Church?

Most probably the Orthodox Church. Its also subject to what calendar is followed, as some are following the revised Julian Calendar, and others the Gregorian Calendar.

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

4) on the Calender of saints (Church calender) are there +1054 Latin Saints ,and +1054 Eastern Orthodox Saints? Or Both?

Some Orthodox, some saints are popular to a particular Church (there are a number of Ukrainian Catholic saints) and some of the really popular Latin saints will also find their way into Eastern Catholic calendars. We have a number of Popes there. I also wouldn't be surprised of Blessed Pope John Paul II gets a place in the Ukrainian Catholic Calendar (or maybe he's already there, I'm not updated on this matter).

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

5) And do East Cath Churches have icons or images of +1054 latin Saints and +1054 Orthodox saints in their Churches?

Thanks

Yes. Note that many Eastern Catholics were not Catholics for a few centuries. Only the Maronites have never broken communion. Everyone else were 100% Orthodox for a time. So there will be some saints from 1054-whenever the reunion carried over. Moreover, more holy men and women, Catholic or Orthodox, are recognized even at the time the Eastern Church has split into two, one Catholic and one Orthodox. But because of their holiness, they are recognized by both sides of the Church. Usually this is a result of veneration by the faithful of the "homeland".

[ConstantineTG]

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

I read there about the Catholic Church uniting with the Armenians and Coptics,i know that the Orthodox are not in union with them because they are "monophosites",

Was this "monophosite' belief a non-issue with the Catholics who accepted union with them?

I read that the unions didnt suceed.

Are the Coptics and Armenians in union now with Rome breakaways from the original Copt and Armenian church and are they still "monophosites'?

sorry ,sometimes i cant understand properly when i read things.

From what I read, the Coptic Catholics are heavily Latinized as a result of Latin Bishops trying to proselytize Coptic Orthodox into the Catholic Church. So they got some lay people and I think some priests, but no bishops. The results was the Latin Bishops influencing the theology and Liturgy heavily. I could be wrong here.

[Rolltide]

Originally Posted by ConstantineTG

Yes. Note that many Eastern Catholics were not Catholics for a few centuries. Only the Maronites have never broken communion. Everyone else were 100% Orthodox for a time.

If I am not mistaken, I believe that the Italo-Albanian Catholic Church also never broke communion. But you are correct, all of the others had.

[ConstantineTG]

Originally Posted by Rolltide

If I am not mistaken, I believe that the Italo-Albanian Catholic Church also never broke communion. But you are correct, all of the others had.

I don't know. But I heard they might break soon (I hope not). There's this issue with Roman Catholic Bishops of Italy forcing them to comply with Roman Catholic discipline (priestly celibacy) because they are in Roman Catholic territory. I heard that some parishes are already coming into communion with the Greek Orthodox.

[5Loaves]

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

3) Are the Daily/Sunday Scripture readings the same as Rome or the Orthodox Church?

Just a reminder that the 3 cycles of readings, A, B,C, in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite are different from the cycle of readings for the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.

[5Loaves]

Originally Posted by ByzCath

Yes, any Catholic may attend any Catholic rite.

True, although I think the issue is attending any Catholic Church, and those Churches may have the same or different rites.

[mardukm]

Dear brother Constantine,

Originally Posted by ConstantineTG

I don't know. But I heard they might break soon (I hope not). There's this issue with Roman Catholic Bishops of Italy forcing them to comply with Roman Catholic discipline (priestly celibacy) because they are in Roman Catholic territory.

I might be mistaken, but I think you are confusing the matter of the Romanian Catholic Chruch with the Italo-Greek Catholic Churches. There are two Italo-Greek dioceses in Italy that legitimately and always have had the right the ordain married men into the priesthood.

I heard that some parishes are already coming into communion with the Greek Orthodox.

Can you give a link to this? I've never heard of it (though I'm not exactly your resident expert on things Eastern - I'm Oriental ).

Blessings,
Marduk

[ConstantineTG]

Originally Posted by mardukm

Dear brother Constantine,


I might be mistaken, but I think you are confusing the matter of the Romanian Catholic Chruch with the Italo-Greek Catholic Churches. There are two Italo-Greek dioceses in Italy that legitimately and always have had the right the ordain married men into the priesthood.

Oh right, I was thinking it was in Italy then I assumed

Originally Posted by mardukm

Can you give a link to this? I've never heard of it (though I'm not exactly your resident expert on things Eastern - I'm Oriental ).

Blessings,
Marduk

I'm working off a rumor here, not really confirmed. But given the sad state of the decision, I can understand why their faith in their communion with Rome may be shaken.

[mardukm]

Originally Posted by Paul theApostle

Was this "monophosite' belief a non-issue with the Catholics who accepted union with them?

I read that the unions didnt suceed.

There were several issues, but the absolutely main reason the original unions did not succeed was because of excessive claims to authority by the papacy. Papal claims in those days were always styled in the language of "submission," which the Orientals could not accept. On the Coptic side, there have been many attempts at reunion with the Catholic Church over the centuries (at one point, there was actually intercommunion in Egypt between the Catholic missionaries and the COC for about a hundred years in the 17th-18th centuries), but the issue of what was perceived to be papal absolutism was always the main killing stroke.

Are the Coptics and Armenians in union now with Rome breakaways from the original Copt and Armenian church and are they still "monophosites'?

All Churches of the Oriental Tradition are currently not miaphysite. However, the Catholic Church actually determined the orthodoxy of the miaphysite expression of the Faith around the turn of the 19th/20th century. Currently, formal, official, authoritative agreements exist between the Catholic and Oriental Orthodox Churches on the orthodoxy of each others' expressions of Christological Faith. This has led to very close relationships with the Oriental Orthodox Churches, particularly the Syriac branch of the Oriental Orthodox communion. Formal and official agreements on pastoral sharing of Sacraments exists with the Syriac Orthodox Churches (NOTE: pastoral provisions do not mean there is full communion). Informal, unofficial pastoral sharing of Sacraments also exists with the Armenian Apostolic Church. The relationship between the Coptic Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church was strained when the CC signed a Christological agreement with the Assyrian Church of the East back in 1994, but dialogue with the Coptic Orthodox was re-established several years ago. I am myself a miaphysite Catholic, who translated to the Catholic communion from Coptic Orthodoxy a few years ago (though I am still always learning). I have personally met five other miaphysite Catholics (the few, and the proud and all that. It's a start).

Blessings,
Marduk