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Old Aug 7, '11, 8:53 pm
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Default MERGED: Assumption of Mary on a Monday/Obligation?

Is it the case that the obligation (where it exists) to attend Mass on the Assumption is removed when it occurs on a Monday, or is the solemnity actually translated to the Sunday?

If the Mass is translated to the Sunday, is the Divine Office also translated?

If the DO is also translated, what should be prayed on the Monday?
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Old Aug 7, '11, 11:00 pm
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The Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is not a moveable feast.
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Old Aug 7, '11, 11:12 pm
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The Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is not a moveable feast.
Not in the United States. Are you sure that's true in Canada though?
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Old Aug 7, '11, 11:25 pm
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The Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is not a moveable feast.
That's not what the OP is asking. (S)he's asking whether the Feast is transfered to the preceding Sunday (as is the case with many Holy Days in the United States such as the Epiphany) or whether the obligation is abrogated entirely. If it is the former then we'd expect the readings and propers to reflect the Assumption rather than those of the 19th Sunday in Ordinary Time (as the actual feast has been transfered). If it is the latter then we'd expect the readings and propers to reflect the 19th Sunday in Ordinary Time, tomorrow's would reflect those of the Assumption BUT the faithful would not be obligated to attend.

I can't find an explicit answer, but based on what my parish is doing it appears to be completely abrogated, which I think is a shame. It's quite pathetic that either our Bishops think so lowly of us or that we Americans really are as spiritually lazy as their overly lenient dispensations would imply. I wish none of the Holy Days were transfered and no obligation were abrogated.
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Old Aug 7, '11, 11:25 pm
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Is it the case that the obligation (where it exists) to attend Mass on the Assumption is removed when it occurs on a Monday, or is the solemnity actually translated to the Sunday?

If the Mass is translated to the Sunday, is the Divine Office also translated?

If the DO is also translated, what should be prayed on the Monday?
IF the Mass is translated, then the Divine Office is also translated. On Monday, in that event, the regular weekday cycle would be followed (Psalm from Monday in Psalm week X and Readings from Monday in Week X of Ordinary Time).

The Solemnity may be transferred not only nationally by a conference of bishops, but locally in the case of a titular for a certain church, where it is judged pastorally advantageous.
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Not in the United States. Are you sure that's true in Canada though?
The Feast of the Assumption is not a moveable feast anywhere. The Assumption always occurs on August 8th. A moveable feast is one whose date moves around on the calendar (such as Easter's).
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The Assumption is not transfered, only the obligation is abrogated

http://catholicism.about.com/od/2011...endar-2011.htm
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The Feast of the Assumption is not a moveable feast anywhere. The Assumption always occurs on August 8th. A moveable feast is one whose date moves around on the calendar (such as Easter's).
Its not the 8th, its the 15th
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Its not the 8th, its the 15th
Duh! It's late and I'm living in the past dude!
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So sounds like in the US we don't have to go to Mass this coming Monday, and the Sunday Liturgy will be the ordinary time one?
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So sounds like in the US we don't have to go to Mass this coming Monday, and the Sunday Liturgy will be the ordinary time one?
Correct.
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Hunh, I'll be... I always thought that when an immoveable Holy Day of Obligation fell on a Monday, the obligation was not abrogated. I thought it was only when it fell on Saturday.
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The Feast of the Assumption is not a moveable feast anywhere. The Assumption always occurs on August 8th. A moveable feast is one whose date moves around on the calendar (such as Easter's).
While it is true that the phrase moveable feast refers, in general, to those feasts which are reckoned with respect to Easter, all holy days are capable of being translated by the appropriate authority (as is the case with Epiphany or Corpus Christi in the US).
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Can. 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.
For instance, the bishops of England and Wales translate many holy-days-falling-on-Saturday-or-Monday to the adjacent Sunday.

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The Feast of the Assumption is not a moveable feast anywhere.
In my country it is moved to the 14th when 15th falls on a Monday. A decision decreed by our episcopal conference with the recognitio of the Holy See.

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The Assumption always occurs on August 8th.
The Assumption is on 15th August.
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In my country it is moved to the 14th when 15th falls on a Monday. A decision decreed by our episcopal conference with the recognitio of the Holy See.
Yes, but that's not what "moveable feast" means. A moveable feast moves on the calendar due to its relation to the moveable date of Easter, which in turn is moveable because it is determined based on lunar calculations rather than solar ones. The transfer of feasts per the prerogative of the episcopacy isn't the same.


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Yeah, I misspoke . For some reason I was thinking Immaculate Conception while typing.
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