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Default Re: SPLIT: MHFM attacks the Divine Mercy Devotion!?

Puzzleannie brings up a good point, but since you are new to Catholicism and entering RCIA soon, it would be wise to check with CatholicCulture.org (click "site review") before entrusting your belief to these anti-Catholic websites.

Here is a good point that was mentioned in the review of MHFM.

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That magazine, slick and expensive, is very anti-Catholic, and seems to have the purpose of luring unsuspecting Catholics into grave error and schism. There is no "Most Holy Family Monastery" in Fillmore, New York, listed in the official Catholic Directory. Therefore, it is not authentically Catholic at all. Fillmore is located in the Diocese of Buffalo, New York, and the bishop there has announced that the magazine and "Monastery" have no connection with the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, there are many anti-Catholic tricks abroad, some disguised one way and some another. Always check with your parish priest about "new magazines" claiming to be Catholic or religious.
I forget which document of Vatican II states that an organization cannot use the name "Catholic" in its title unless they have diocesan approval for their apostolate. However, many devious websites insert this identity into their name specifically to damage the faith of unsuspecting readers. Bloggers, too, are another group that pass off their erroneous teachings, misusing the title "Catholic." It is pretty hard to check on these, however, so caution is advised, always using recourse to church teachings as the truth.

Thanks for asking CAF members to settle your doubt.
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why would you visit an anti-Catholic website to get information about a Catholic devotion?
I wasn't activly looking at the website, I typed in Chaplet of Divine Mercy in Google and jut happened to click on the link and read it..just wanted to see what everyones opinion was, I've never actually been to their website.
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I just googled "Chaplet of Divine Mercy" and did not find a single link to MostHolyFamilyMonastery, after looking at 12 pages. Of all the worthy sites listed, you just happened to find this heretical one? And you didn't look at any others?
That's dangerous web surfing, my friend.
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I know his posts are quite long sometimes, but calling him Bother is a bit harsh....
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I think Church Militant simply made a typo, forgetting to insert the "r" in Bother, and neglected to proof-read his post, since it was so short.

Late night brain damage...

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Just to add my thumbs up, I read the entire 700-page Diary as a lenten devotion two years ago. I made a personal index in the back, filled with references to her wonderful writings where the Holy Spirit enlightened me. In one instance, I had been praying about a very wrongful transfer to another unit, which meant my grandson would be forced to serve another tour in Iraq. His own unit was not scheduled, since they had just served a deployment, so to get around it, they decided to transfer some of the men to a unit that had not served yet.

St. Faustina was in a similar situation, when Our Lord told Faustina that she would NOT be transferred, saying "Human plans will be thwarted, since they must conform to My will."

How deeply I felt these words as I took them in answer to my prayers. Indeed, they came true, and he was not transferred, despite many efforts to bring it about.
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why would you visit an anti-Catholic website to get information about a Catholic devotion?
Face it PA, not everyone is as web savvy as me 'n you, and even our knowledge was gained the hard way, just as this Brother's was, so I think we can give the benefit of the doubt, y'know?

Besides, this really just gives us another opportunity to expose and discredit the Dimond brothers and their cult.
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I know his posts are quite long sometimes, but calling him Bother is a bit harsh....
I understood that he meant Brother, as in my title.

My posts tend to be long, because my ministry is evangelization and formation. One of the means that I use is the internet. I'm not particularly interested in the debates and discussions as I am in teaching what the Church teaches and believes on certain subjects. I will often insert formation into a debate or discussion.

Obviously, I can't repond to every subject. Theology is like medicine. You get a general degree at the Master's level, which is a four-year M.Div. If you want to be a specialist, you pick an area and go back for a post-grad degree.

The average priest or brother cannot be an expert in every area of theology. He's not going to attempt to speak in every area. It is arrogant to do so. It's like an opthamologist commenting on breast cancer. Just because he went to medical school and studied oncology and gynocology does not mean that his an expert on breast cancer.

That's why you won't get many priests and brothers on these fora. People want to speak authoritatively on subjects where they have no formal training and priests and brothers are not going to go there. We deliberately defer to oiur colleagues and confreres who are experts on such subjects. At best, we can answer basic questions about a subject. Remember, all the education that most have is 8 years of university. That's enough to answer the most common questions, what I call the questions the come up in everyday situtations. Those tricky questions, such as this article that was linked here are best answered by folks in the Spiritual Theology Department.

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These posts contain quite a bit of good explanations, details, theology, logic, and elaborate answers. That is all to the good. But I would like to just approach this matter from what you might call the opposite direction.

Simply pray the D.M. Chaplet. Now, I ask you, what could be more humble, more adoring, more loving, more faithful, more simple and unpretentious, and more honoring of our Lord's Passion? No fault can be found with this easy yet glorious prayer. No conflict with Catholic teaching or with sincere belief. It is beautiful and good and holy.

If some "weirdos" (I like your style Michael) want to drum up a bunch of strange inferences about St. Faustina because she received Communion in the hand, that is a convoluted, psuedo-intellectual argument to try to tear down the whole thing, out of context.

Whether you like St. Faustina as a saint or find her tedious, whether you read the book or skip it, none of that detracts from the worthiness of the Divine Mercy Chaplet.
The reason they contain a lot of theology is because the article that was lined is very bad theology. It had to be addressed.

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I just googled "Chaplet of Divine Mercy" and did not find a single link to MostHolyFamilyMonastery, after looking at 12 pages. Of all the worthy sites listed, you just happened to find this heretical one? And you didn't look at any others?
That's dangerous web surfing, my friend.
Not sure then, might have put a "what is" or "how to pray.." in front of it then, now reading about the Dimons Bro's and their "monastery" I know not to read anything by them, so lesson learned. And I actually bought St. Faustina's diary today so I won't be ignorant on the matter!
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why would you visit an anti-Catholic website to get information about a Catholic devotion?
well... to play devil's advocate would a lutheran website have content that is anti-lutheran?


to the poster who shared the info about site reviews at catholicculture... thank you!
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to the poster who shared the info about site reviews at catholicculture... thank you!
I'm so glad you find it helpful. Here's their list of top-rated sites, as well as those rated "red - danger." Catholic Answers is, of course, on the green top-rated list. But to substantiate what I said earlier in this thread, notice the large number of danger sites that have "Catholic" in the title. That's why I value the information provided by this website as a wonderful service to all of us for our protection.
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PS. I thought Diamond Brothers was a musical group.
You haven't heard their big hit? A blues tune called Catholic Conspiracy Theories? It's really popular among sedevacantists and some radical traditionalists. It should be renamed The Sedevacantist Blues. There's also Paul, John Paul and Benedict. It's to the tune of the old 1960's hit, Abraham, Martin and John. The lyrics ask where all the valid popes have gone (because these all wound up being false).



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OK, I've used up my 25 cents.

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That was worth more than 25, with inflation it's at least $2.50.


While I don't have your background in Mystical Theology, I have read enough to know that the Dimond Brothers don't have a grasp of Mystical Theology at all. For that matter, they don't have much knowledge of theology in general. It is amazing the misinformation they spout, but the average person in the pew wouldn't know any better; which makes websites like this dangerous. At least there are websites like CAF, EWTN and more that counteract the misinformation on these questionable and often down right dangerous websites. Plus, there are educated folks such as yourself, educating the uneducated. I think you refuted the claims of that PDF well. $25 worth of theology for 2.5 of insane rantings by someone who really didn't objectively review the material being read, if it was read at all. It's more like cherry-picking.


And on an additional note, I had to laugh at this from the PDF: "(S)omething that concerned us was that it seemed popular among the Charismatic"Catholics"." Horrors! The Charismatics are pushing the Divine Mercy Devotion. Obviously, the author of the PDF put the word Catholic in quotation marks to indicate that Charismatics are not Catholics. Of course, the Charismatic Renewal has had the support of the popes, going back to Paul VI; but since they consider those same popes apostates, that obviously doesn't matter. A lot of radical traditionalists, and all the sedevacantists are pretty much opposed to anything charismatic. So, if the Charismatics think the Divine Mercy Devotion is something to promote, this in itself is a red flag to these folks (The Dimond Brothers) that this is a bad devotion. I didn't know us Charismatics were practicing and promoting a dangerous devotion (Divine Mercy).
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You haven't heard their big hit? A blues tune called Catholic Conspiracy Theories? It's really popular among sedevacantists and some radical traditionalists. It should be renamed The Sedevacantist Blues. There's also Paul, John Paul and Benedict. It's to the tune of the old 1960's hit, Abraham, Martin and John. The lyrics ask where all the valid popes have gone (because these all wound up being false).






That was worth more than 25, with inflation it's at least $2.50.


While I don't have your background in Mystical Theology, I have read enough to know that the Dimond Brothers don't have a grasp of Mystical Theology at all. For that matter, they don't have much knowledge of theology in general. It is amazing the misinformation they spout, but the average person in the pew wouldn't know any better; which makes websites like this dangerous. At least there are websites like CAF, EWTN and more that counteract the misinformation on these questionable and often down right dangerous websites. Plus, there are educated folks such as yourself, educating the uneducated. I think you refuted the claims of that PDF well. $25 worth of theology for 2.5 of insane rantings by someone who really didn't objectively review the material being read, if it was read at all. It's more like cherry-picking.


And on an additional note, I had to laugh at this from the PDF: "(S)omething that concerned us was that it seemed popular among the Charismatic"Catholics"." Horrors! The Charismatics are pushing the Divine Mercy Devotion. Obviously, the author of the PDF put the word Catholic in quotation marks to indicate that Charismatics are not Catholics. Of course, the Charismatic Renewal has had the support of the popes, going back to Paul VI; but since they consider those same popes apostates, that obviously doesn't matter. A lot of radical traditionalists, and all the sedevacantists are pretty much opposed to anything charismatic. So, if the Charismatics think the Divine Mercy Devotion is something to promote, this in itself is a red flag to these folks (The Dimond Brothers) that this is a bad devotion. I didn't know us Charismatics were practicing and promoting a dangerous devotion (Divine Mercy).
The Charismatics shouldn't feel badly. They're in good company. These groups don't like Franciscans either, because of our position on absolute obedience without murmurring and without questioning.

Oh, we also vow obedience to the pope, which makes us popolotrists. I can't even spell that word, nevermind pronounce it three times unless I've had at least six beers.

I don't drink, so I gues that's a word I won't be using often.

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I feel sorry for the Dimond Brothers.
These men MISinterpret just about EVERYTHING that JPII and Benedict XVI
have EVER said and done.
If a group of Jews were allowed to pray Jewish prayers in the Vatican, (and they were),
this is a sign that the Popes (or ANTIpopes as they call them)
were promoting the denial of Jesus Christ !!
Everything in the post-Vatican II church is interpreted in the WORST
possible light by these people.
Really, friends, stay away from their website.
It could easily destroy your Catholic Faith.

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The Charismatics shouldn't feel badly. They're in good company. These groups don't like Franciscans either, because of our position on absolute obedience without murmurring and without questioning.

Oh, we also vow obedience to the pope, which makes us popolotrists. I can't even spell that word, nevermind pronounce it three times unless I've had at least six beers.

I don't drink, so I gues that's a word I won't be using often.

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Yeah! I guess us Franciscans aren't very popular among them as popolotrists who obey the pope. I learned a new word, popolotrists. I ain't even gonna try pronouncing that one, and I don't think 1 let alone 6 beers would help me. I'm still loopy from the sedatives used for my spinal procedure earlier in the afternoon, and even that doesn't help.

I noticed that the Dimond brother on the PDF, had OSB after his name. I am guessing that since this isn't a real monastery, he's likely not a true member of the order of St Benedict either. Something tells me there is a lot of rule violating (a la St Benedict's) going on in the process of creating the contents of that website. Can't imagine the Benedictine Rule would support the actions of the Dimond brothers.
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Not sure then, might have put a "what is" or "how to pray.." in front of it then, now reading about the Dimons Bro's and their "monastery" I know not to read anything by them, so lesson learned. And I actually bought St. Faustina's diary today so I won't be ignorant on the matter!
Just ran into these debate between Robert Sungenis vs Peter Dimond....i guess he is one of the Dimond brothers...


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Hi puzzleannie,
MHFM, the Dimond Bros website, is not strictly speaking, "anti-Catholic," at least in it's basic doctrines. They are, however, militantly sedevacantist, insisting that all popes after Pius the 12th, have been heretics and apostates, including our dear Benedict XVI.
They also hold to an exclusivist and over-rigid interpretation of
Outside The Church There is No Salvation and an extremely rigid interpretation of the strict necessity of water baptism.
They are not open to reasoning, and if you contact them and offer a defense of anything, they will reply to you with a hostile email pouncing all over you. This happened to me a few years ago.
I pray that they will see the error of their ways, reject their sedevacantism,
and return to the Catholic and papal fold.

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Hi puzzleannie,
MHFM, the Dimond Bros website, is not strictly speaking, "anti-Catholic," at least in it's basic doctrines. They are, however, militantly sedevacantist, insisting that all popes after Pius the 12th, have been heretics and apostates, including our dear Benedict XVI.
They also hold to an exclusivist and over-rigid interpretation of
Outside The Church There is No Salvation
and an extremely rigid interpretation of the strict necessity of water baptism.They are not open to reasoning, and if you contact them and offer a defense of anything, they will reply to you with a hostile email pouncing all over you. This happened to me a few years ago.
I pray that they will see the error of their ways, reject their sedevacantism,
and return to the Catholic and papal fold.

Jaypeeto4
In his rule for secular men and women Francis of Assisi describes Catholics as:

1. Unquestioning obedience to the pope and the local bishop

2. Loving and welcoming of all men and people of all faiths

3. Adverse to argumentation

4. Trusting in the Father's love and mercy for all men

5. Kind in treatment and speech when dealing with others

He later imposed the same principles on us, the religious. All of the underlined above sound very anti-Catholic to me. Either they're right and Francis of Assisi is wrong or the other way around. I'll take my chances with Francis of Assisi.

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