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Old Aug 18, '11, 6:48 am
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I have been told I must accept "Jesus as personal Lord and Savior". But I have also read that that concept is not in The Bible. Now my friend has said that whereas those exact words may noy appear in The Bible there are many places where the concept is spelled out. I need some help. Is it in The Bible or isn't it? When did "accepting Jesus as personal Lord and savior" become the mark of "being a Christian" or has it always been a requirement?
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Old Aug 18, '11, 8:00 am
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I'm guessing your friend is an Evangelical . This phrase comes from interpretations of different passages in the Bible, so in essence, you are correct that it does not appear in the Bible. It comes from the necessity of accepting Christ's sacrifice as the atoning bridge between God and humans. So Christ is the Savior of our souls. the personal Lord concept is that Christ becomes Lord of your life. The demons knew who Jesus was, but He did not govern their actions and how they behaved. The commanments and example of Christ should govern the lives of Christians. So we have made Jesus Lord of our person. Along with this we believe we can know God and Jesus on an intimate level, as close friends. We take all our cares, concerns, problems, joys, praises, successes and failures to God through prayer. As relationships between confidants grow stronger as trust grows, so does the relationship between believer and God. Hope this helps.
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Old Aug 18, '11, 8:07 am
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This is what most protestant churches believe, that salvation is gained through accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Having come from a protestant background, I look to this idea as the protestant attempt to gain the inward change and graces Catholics receive through the sacraments.

The intentions of accepting Jesus of your Lord and Saviour is to draw closer to God. The intentions are good, and it is to help a person lead a life please to God. My best analogy I can give is that both Protestants and Catholics are following a path to Heaven and to draw closer to God. But as in life there are some paths that are better, easier to travel and get you to your destination quicker so to can the Protestant belief of accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and the Sacraments be compared to these paths. Both hopefully get you to your destination of Heaven to live with God in all his Glory, but where only accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour falls short, or perhaps leads you down a less desirable path, the Sacraments lead you down the better path, a path where you more closely walk with God as your take your Journey in this life to finish in Heaven.
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Old Aug 18, '11, 8:16 am
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You receive sanctifying grace in you first during baptism. That's when original sin gets washed away. This is when you first receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior.You reaffirm this every time you receive the sacraments. It's kind of like a Protestant attempt to get the same/just as much grace as Catholics receive from the sacraments. The mark of being a Christian has ALWAYS been when you are baptised in the name of the Trinity. Now this concept is in the Bible, but not as most Evangelicals present it (or so it seems to me). It usually goes right along with OSAS, which is completely false. Either way, it isn't Catholic terminology, so just stick to terms you know as a Roman Catholic.
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Nowhere in the Bible is "accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior" mentioned.. This is the Protestant notion of the way to be "born again." The New Testament tells us that we are "born again" through Baptism. Every baptized Christian has been born again.

Catholics "accept Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior" every time we receive Him in Holy Communion -- every day or every Sunday.

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Old Aug 18, '11, 8:28 am
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In the Baptist church I grew up in, accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior for the most part meant you asked for forgiveness for your sins, believed that Jesus died for you, wanted to live your life to please Jesus, read your Bible and prayed. They had many verses that, put together, pretty much said these things.

When I first met my Catholic mother-in-law , I'm sure if I had asked her if she had ever accepted Jesus as her personal Lord and Savior she wouldn't have understood what I was really saying, HOWEVER, she loved Jesus, went regularly to mass and confession, believed Jesus died for her, tried to live her life the way Jesus taught, read her Bible and prayed all the time (she literally had callouses on her knees from kneeling so much). The first time I attended a mass with her and she said The Creed, I could tell by her voice that she believed every word. I don't know how much more "personal" a Lord and Savior could have been to her!!
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When did "accepting Jesus as personal Lord and savior" become the mark of "being a Christian" or has it always been a requirement?
Minus the "personal" bit, because Christ died to open the gates of sanctifying grace for the whole of humanity, this has always been a requirement.

However, this requirement is not met in some little "altar call" that you'll find in many churches today (talk about violating sola scriptura!) but is found in baptism and our baptismal vows!
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I have been told I must accept "Jesus as personal Lord and Savior". But I have also read that that concept is not in The Bible. Now my friend has said that whereas those exact words may noy appear in The Bible there are many places where the concept is spelled out. I need some help. Is it in The Bible or isn't it? When did "accepting Jesus as personal Lord and savior" become the mark of "being a Christian" or has it always been a requirement?
As with most of these things there is a lot of variation that needs to be looked at. Most has been mentioned in the previous posts.

Christ, by His cross and resurrection has poured out grace upon the world. Not all accept Him or God's grace. So there needs to be an "accepting" on our part in order to be truly saved.
I think that the whole "personal Lord and Savior" issue is where a lot of the difficulty comes in. My suspicion is that the term is something that developed and is used to emphasize the very personal nature of conversion. To point to an individual and say to them that this is not just an intellectual exercise but something that is deeply personal and tremendously important.
Actually I would suggest that a more accurate statement would be that we must "personally accept Jesus as Lord and Savior" rather than our "personal Lord and Savior" which sounds a bit like calling a servant ( such as - my personal assistant).

In the end, no matter the term used to evangelize, we must accept and submit to Christ as our King and Lord.

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Old Aug 18, '11, 9:03 am
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Here's another interesting thread on CAF that explores the same question:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=6735648
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I have been told I must accept "Jesus as personal Lord and Savior". But I have also read that that concept is not in The Bible. Now my friend has said that whereas those exact words may noy appear in The Bible there are many places where the concept is spelled out. I need some help. Is it in The Bible or isn't it?
First of all, I think that your friend makes this claim then he should be the one to also provide the book, chapter and verse to back it up (rather than simply tell you that it is found "in many places" in the Bible and leave it at that).

Moving on...

It has been my observation that when Evangelicals elaborate on the concept of accepting Jesus as ones personal Lord and Savior, the following Bible verses are mentioned:

"If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Rom 10:9)

"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)

From Romans 10:9 we can see the reference to Jesus as "Lord," and if he saves us then he is the "Savior." In Galatians, Paul expresses the actions of Jesus in a personal way: "...who loved me and gave himself for me."


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That's a good question. Even though the terminology can be, more or less, drawn from the NT, the phrase "accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior" is so standardized that it seems like someone must have coined this phrase at some point, and it caught on and spread. Awhile ago my brother attempted a thread to discover who coined the term, but nothing was determined.
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I have been told I must accept "Jesus as personal Lord and Savior". But I have also read that that concept is not in The Bible. Now my friend has said that whereas those exact words may noy appear in The Bible there are many places where the concept is spelled out. I need some help. Is it in The Bible or isn't it? When did "accepting Jesus as personal Lord and savior" become the mark of "being a Christian" or has it always been a requirement?
A person does need to accept Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. That phrase is not in the Bible specifically spelled out in that exact manner, but it's Biblical in a common sense kind of way.

The problem is that this correct phrase has inadvertently been reduced to something of a slogan by some evangelicals. They also delve into a kind of routine once they get you interested in "accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior." If your church doesn't spend a lot of time preaching on the specific notion of "accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior" with those precise words, then you can end up thinking you're missing out on something because of the new sounding phrase. That puts them in a position of being kind of a teacher to you, and as a student you're supposed to be doing what they tell you...which often leads into the "sinners prayer" something which isn't really necessary. Evangelicals often use the phrase "born again" in the same way as this "accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior" phrase. It's become kind of a recruiting schtick for them.

You might let your friend know that as a Catholic, you've already accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, and then suggest a prayer of thanks to God for placing you in a Church which has helped lead so many people in that direction for so much of human history.

His reaction might be interesting......
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Nothing is more PERSONAL than Jesus' Body and Blood.

Protestants who do not believe in Jesus' Body and Blood after He tells them that it is TRUE food and TRUE drink are according to His words--Anti-Christ!

Why would Jesus save some one who didn't believe Him?

Is there any life in them when they don't believe Him?

Jesus says that those who do not drink His Blood and eat His body do not have life in them.

Does Jesus speak the truth?
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From my conversations with Protestants, when they say they have a personal relationship with God they are also saying there is no real need for a formal church. They don't see the Catholic Church as helping Catholics have a close relationship with God, rather they see the Catholic Church as something inbetween and blocking Catholics from God. It is so hard for them to understand when I tell him the Holy Eucharist is the most personal relationship one can have with God in this life.

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Nothing wrong with personalizing your relationship with Jesus or God:
The Blessed Virgin Mary said, "...and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior." (Luke 1:47)
St. Thomas said of Jesus, "My Lord and my God." (John 20:28)
St. Paul said, "Indeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord." (Philippians 3:8)
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I think Ranp is on the right track. When did people start to think "the church" were individuals? I know Luther and Calvin both felt "the church" was more than an individual and it had to be more than "me, Jesus and a tree".
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