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Old Sep 14, '11, 1:26 pm
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I've been seeing these everywhere and I think they are beautiful. I am Catholic and wondering if this is a trend I should stay away from? Does it have a bad meaning to Catholics and Christians?

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Old Sep 14, '11, 1:40 pm
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This is the first I've heard of these! I had to Google it.

Well, they're being sold/worn by housewives and such. I'm not finding a definite reason or symbolism for the horizontal cross. I'm not finding any gang or sexual symbolism, but I could be mistaken. I guess it is what you make of it.
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Old Sep 14, '11, 2:58 pm
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Looks like its intended for style rather than religious purposes. But as a Christian, even if your intention is to be "in" with the fashion crowd, isn't this being disingenuous to your faith if you wear one?
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Old Sep 14, '11, 4:32 pm
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I don't think it is being disingenuous at all. I love crosses and crucifixes and I love how these sideways ones look. I just wanted to make sure that it didn't have a negative connotation toward the church. I am starting to think that it is all in how the wearer perceives the meaning.
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Old Sep 16, '11, 3:45 am
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Perhaps you can provide a link, I have not seen these.
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Old Sep 22, '11, 12:34 pm
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I suppose it is in how you view them. I agree they seem to be just a fashion trend attaching the chain to the top and bottom of the cross as opposed to just the top.
Personally, I don't really like the way they look, but I am kinda traditional and old fashioned i guess.
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Old Sep 26, '11, 3:25 am
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To be a stylish rebel I'd have an inverted cross made out of tungsten carbide with St. Peter on it of course. All that is gold does not glitter and of course tungsten is very heavy (a weighty cross to remind of the spiritual burden we bear).
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Old Dec 31, '11, 4:25 pm
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This subject is of interest to me because I have always envisioned "Carrying my Cross" as a great burden, as Jesus did. Not held up before me as a banner.
So, I have always envisioned it carried sideways with the center beam dragging the ground.
These cross designs would mean a great deal more to me if they were cantered to signify the dragging.
Regardless as they are they still remind me of Jesus and His passion.
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Old Sep 7, '12, 10:34 am
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I'd be very careful about thinking too deeply into symbolism that doesn't exist. If someone tells you that a symbol has a christian meaning, you'd better ask them where in THE BIBLE they got that from.

There are pagans that will say an upside-down cross is satanic, however, Peter was crucified upside-down. Jesus warned us that there would be impostors that would try and deceive us away from His word and God's laws.

To that end, we should all be less worried about the separation of Church & State and more worried about the Separation of Church & God. The catholic church, as with many religions have many "rules" and rituals that have no Biblical basis.

I was raised catholic and belong to a catholic church but identify myself more as a Christian because I've come to realize the difference betweens "Man's Laws" and God's Laws.

Even the cross as a symbol of Jesus and his sacrifice is man made. Neither Jesus, nor the Apostles viewed a cross as a symbol to be prayed to. Jesus certainly never would have endorsed praying to Mary, someone he referred to as "woman" on several occasions, (and certainly not hailing her) and in fact said that the only way to God was through HIM.

I'm not putting down any of these things as long as we see the for what they are and don't make them bigger than God intended them.

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Old Sep 7, '12, 11:20 am
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Well you certainly threw a few different attacks in here. Perhaps identify yourself in your profile as Protestant instead of Carholic so as to be more intellectually honest. Your points really don't belong in this thread but would be better suited towards the apologetics. You have misrepresented some Catholic stances which lead me to believe you were a Catholic that did not know his faith very well and a Protestant got to you and "showed you the way".
Well, welcome to the forums, if you hang out long enough, you will find that the truth is, those Protestant argumens are easily dismantled. Hope you stay a while.
I'm the future, please stick with one attack at a time do they can each be handled with full attention.
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I'd be very careful about thinking too deeply into symbolism that doesn't exist. If someone tells you that a symbol has a christian meaning, you'd better ask them where in THE BIBLE they got that from.

There are pagans that will say an upside-down cross is satanic, however, Peter was crucified upside-down. Jesus warned us that there would be impostors that would try and deceive us away from His word and God's laws.

To that end, we should all be less worried about the separation of Church & State and more worried about the Separation of Church & God. The catholic church, as with many religions have many "rules" and rituals that have no Biblical basis.

I was raised catholic and belong to a catholic church but identify myself more as a Christian because I've come to realize the difference betweens "Man's Laws" and God's Laws.

Even the cross as a symbol of Jesus and his sacrifice is man made. Neither Jesus, nor the Apostles viewed a cross as a symbol to be prayed to. Jesus certainly never would have endorsed praying to Mary, someone he referred to as "woman" on several occasions, (and certainly not hailing her) and in fact said that the only way to God was through HIM.

I'm not putting down any of these things as long as we see the for what they are and don't make them bigger than God intended them.

God Bless You and please check out John317.org.
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Old Sep 8, '12, 4:14 am
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Well you certainly threw a few different attacks in here. Perhaps identify yourself in your profile as Protestant instead of Carholic so as to be more intellectually honest. Your points really don't belong in this thread but would be better suited towards the apologetics. You have misrepresented some Catholic stances which lead me to believe you were a Catholic that did not know his faith very well and a Protestant got to you and "showed you the way".
Well, welcome to the forums, if you hang out long enough, you will find that the truth is, those Protestant argumens are easily dismantled. Hope you stay a while.
I'm the future, please stick with one attack at a time do they can each be handled with full attention.
I would agree, also hiding attacks within the text using hyperlinks is unpleasant as the anti-Catholic nature of the links given in the post speaks volumes.
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Old Sep 8, '12, 5:14 am
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I'd be very careful about thinking too deeply into symbolism that doesn't exist. If someone tells you that a symbol has a christian meaning, you'd better ask them where in THE BIBLE they got that from.

There are pagans that will say an upside-down cross is satanic, however, Peter was crucified upside-down. Jesus warned us that there would be impostors that would try and deceive us away from His word and God's laws.

To that end, we should all be less worried about the separation of Church & State and more worried about the Separation of Church & God. The catholic church, as with many religions have many "rules" and rituals that have no Biblical basis.

I was raised catholic and belong to a catholic church but identify myself more as a Christian because I've come to realize the difference betweens "Man's Laws" and God's Laws.

Even the cross as a symbol of Jesus and his sacrifice is man made. Neither Jesus, nor the Apostles viewed a cross as a symbol to be prayed to. Jesus certainly never would have endorsed praying to Mary, someone he referred to as "woman" on several occasions, (and certainly not hailing her) and in fact said that the only way to God was through HIM.

I'm not putting down any of these things as long as we see the for what they are and don't make them bigger than God intended them.

God Bless You and please check out John317.org.


If someone tells you that a symbol has a christian meaning, you'd better ask them where in THE BIBLE they got that from.


how about this.........

John 4:48

So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.”



Jesus certainly never would have endorsed praying to Mary, someone he referred to as "woman" on several occasions, (and certainly not hailing her) and in fact said that the only way to God was through HIM.




you are right,the only way to god is through Jesus...Mary intercedes for us like the saints.she is after all the the mother of Jesus.so she pleads for us to her son for help/forgiveness ect...

are you a Catholic?with the language you use?

if so i think you better go back to church and have a sit down with the priest on the teachings of your faith.

what you are saying in your post is anti Catholic in my eyes.

all the very best..
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Old Sep 10, '12, 7:25 am
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Well you certainly threw a few different attacks in here. Perhaps identify yourself in your profile as Protestant instead of Carholic so as to be more intellectually honest.
Part of the problem here is that you (and seemingly many of you) perceive someone questioning (and obviously disagreeing with) you as attacking. That's a convenient way of avoid a dialog, but it's to be expected.

I wouldn't know a Protestant if I tripped over one. I don't know about their "flavor" of Christianity, but it seems from your reaction that the differences seem to be over "holidays" or "holy days". I referred to myself as a Christian because that is all that matters. I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic grammar school, and have gone through all of the sacriments and are going through them with my child now as a parent. I go to church multiple times a week. No, I'm not Protestant.

Here's the thing. As a Christian, who is actively reading the Bible and trying to learn more about Jesus and his intentions, there's a could of things that are clear:
  • It's ok to question your religion. Jesus questioned the Pharisees pretty aggressively.
  • The Pharisees took exception to any questioning of their authority, which ultimately led to them seeing to the death of Christ.
  • Jesus ignored many of the "Laws" of the time because He knew them not to be God's Law, but Man's Law. He blatantly healed people on the Sabbath in front of the Pharisees.

I question my religion because I an actually FOR my faith and want to make sure that Man is not hijacking it. Jesus warns about that. Jesus tells us to be on guard.

One disturbing thing about my formal Catholic upbringing is that the Book of Revelations is NEVER really taught and the Bible is replaced by a Missal. Now that I am reading the bible, I understand why. In the Book of Revelations, Jesus takes exception with all of the Churches. He acknowledges their good works but has specific issues which each and tells all of them "Repent or else". In fact, His first order of business is to address the Churches. As a good Catholic, I'll assume you've read the bible. Which Church in the Book of Revelations do you believe is the Catholic church? Or does your vanity find that question offensive? You can't say "we are all sinners" and then believe that your church doesn't sin.

I'm not the one being confrontational. People cannot repent until they recognize their sins. The Pope has done nothing, or changed nothing, to repent for some of the Catholic churches' (often very public and embassassing ) sins. As a Catholic that bothers me.
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Old Sep 10, '12, 7:51 am
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If someone tells you that a symbol has a christian meaning, you'd better ask them where in THE BIBLE they got that from.


how about this.........

John 4:48

So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.”



Jesus certainly never would have endorsed praying to Mary, someone he referred to as "woman" on several occasions, (and certainly not hailing her) and in fact said that the only way to God was through HIM.




you are right,the only way to god is through Jesus...Mary intercedes for us like the saints.she is after all the the mother of Jesus.so she pleads for us to her son for help/forgiveness ect...

are you a Catholic?with the language you use?

if so i think you better go back to church and have a sit down with the priest on the teachings of your faith.

what you are saying in your post is anti Catholic in my eyes.

all the very best..
I really think this is a dialog that Catholics have to engage in and I'm not concerned about ruffling some feathers. The Bible is full of people getting ticked off at Prophets and Jesus because they didn't like what he was saying. So, I don't worry that people attack me because I care about my church enough to actively make sure that it's based on Gods' Truth and not Man's Truth.

Angels, Saints, and Mary. You're making my point. Why would someone pray to God indirectly (through Mary, saints, etc) when Jesus was quite clear the that ONLY way to the Lord was through HIM. The the most direct way or the best way, but the ONLY way. I'm not disrespecting Mary. My question is this. The last time you prayed to Mary or to another saint, why didn't you just talk directly to Jesus?

My understanding of the Bible and one of the reasons for Jesus coming down to earth was to make it clear that there were no proxies needed or wanted between us and Him. The Pharisees (I don't know if I'm spelling that correct) made themselves PROXIES between the people and God and interjected Man's Laws in with God's Laws. Jesus didn't build his own "temple" for people to gather in and didn't have formal gatherings (masses). That is profoundly different than the way things were. If Jesus agreed with the process and only disagreed with the laws he would have taught in the Temple and held masses and only changed the message. No?

Yes, I am Catholic, but I realize that like most "religions" and with the nature of man, there is plenty of opportunity for the nature of man to get in the way. Maybe your question "Are you Catholic?" is part of the problem. I'm a Christian first and if the Catholic Church tells me something that seems at odd with something that is said in the Bible (or not in the Bible at all), I will always side with Jesus over a religion.

What I am saying is contrary to what the Catholic church teaches. However, I am not anti-Catholic. I think that saying so is very problematic because you're saying that the Church is above reproach even though it is run by Man and we all know Man is not perfect. There are too many example of how the Catholic church does NOT emulate Jesus, but they are well intentioned.
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Old Sep 10, '12, 7:53 am
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By the way. The context of the quote that you listed about signs, etc, is not relevant to symbolism, like crosses, etc. That's the problem with quoting versus. Most people don't understand the context in which it was said and context matters.
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