Gay Marriage in America

[Nate13]

Originally Posted by michelleds

more props headed your way from me

[StAnastasia]

Originally Posted by LittleSoldier

It concerns me, too, especially when I consider the fact that my first step back into the Tiber was done at the request of my sister, as a birthday present from me to her. I wonder if I would have come back completely on my own. I hope so but I do worry about those who have left and have not returned. But like you, I have seen some bright spots. My two nieces are both in college, both brilliant in academics, and both are Catholics, strong in their faith. One teaches CCD classes, one has been an altar server for many years. I'm very proud of both of them.

Good for your nieces. I hope my sons persevere. They had ten years of Catholic education and one is now in a public high school.

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by Nate13

That statement says a lot about nothing. Who doesn't "try their best to live their own life"? There is nobody who doesn't do this, ....

I don't know about this. There are people who look upon others only as an opportunity to do evil.

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by Nate13

...we should require more of someone who is going to adopt other than they wish to be alive.

Yes. Adoption is an unfortunate necessity in some cases, but it is child-centered. Its purpose is to give children the parents they need; it does not exist to give people the children they say they want.

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by TMC

Who are the "they" in this sentence? ...

Who have we been talking about?

[qui est ce]

Originally Posted by StAnastasia

Yes, he does live there, and the Press Democrat covered the case:

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article...CLES/100429976

Sorry, I took the following

Yet, our newspaper, The Press Democrat, has turned a blind eye to the story.

to mean it wasn't covered.

Thanks for correcting me.

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by StAnastasia

... This happened in my father's town in 2010. The man's name was not on his partner's deed. ...

What has this to do with visiting hospitals? Nothing, that's what.

In the case you cited, maybe the deceased didn't want his "partner" to get his house or any of his stuff. Who are you to say? Are we to overturn all of society just because some fail to execute a will?

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by StAnastasia

I think your judgmentalism is one of the reasons we have such a high attrition orate among young people. ...

How can this be? Most young people couldn't possibly know whoever it is you are criticizing.

[qui est ce]

Originally Posted by StAnastasia

I had to laugh when I received news last January about my first formal heresy denunciation! {snip} formally denounced as a heretic to the Bishop of the Diocese of Yakima, Washington.

StAnastasia

What did the bishop do about it?

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by StAnastasia

..., our newspaper, The Press Democrat, has turned a blind eye to the story."

Must not have been anything to this work of fiction if a newspaper ignored it.

[StAnastasia]

Originally Posted by qui est ce

What did the bishop do about it?

The bishop disarmed the matter with kindness and pastoral grace. I had been invited to deliver a series of lectures on the relationship between science and religion. Some people did not like the idea that Catholics are allowed to entertain an evolutionary scientific perspective on the universe, and last January they reported both me and the pastor of the parish to the bishop as heretics. The bishop replied firmly but pastorally to these people, and I did not find out about my heresy denunciation until a couple of months later.

[StAnastasia]

Originally Posted by qui est ce

Sorry, I took the following to mean it wasn't covered. Thanks for correcting me.

You're welcome. Here's another take:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/us/23sfbriefs.html

[qui est ce]

Originally Posted by StAnastasia

The bishop disarmed the matter with kindness and pastoral grace. I had been invited to deliver a series of lectures on the relationship between science and religion. Some people did not like the idea that Catholics are allowed to entertain an evolutionary scientific perspective on the universe, and last January they reported both me and the pastor of the parish to the bishop as heretics. The bishop replied firmly but pastorally to these people, and I did not find out about my heresy denunciation until a couple of months later.

Don't put too much stock in what people like that say. People get accused of that all the time, from both sides of the fence.

Glad to see the good bishop acted pastorally.

[StAnastasia]

Originally Posted by qui est ce

Don't put too much stock in what people like that say. People get accused of that all the time, from both sides of the fence. Glad to see the good bishop acted pastorally.

Bishop Carlos Sevilla -- he is a fine man, just retired.

[michelleds]

Originally Posted by StAnastasia

Not until this sort of travesty of justice is definitely put to rest.

No, no, no. you are backing off your original premise. now you've included travesty against the elderly, which is all you've proven. there was NO travesty unique to GLBT couples that I did not address. You see that I said that the elderly scenario would be the same, and in fact, I see it in my line of work frequently, REGARDLESS of sexual orientation, gender or marital status.

THEREFORE, I have lived up to my end of the bargain and you are reneging.

You said: "If you can show me how LGBT people can be protected from such travesties, I will gladly relinquish my defense of civil unions"

and I have done so.