For those who believe homosexuals can change their orientation....

followingtheway · #1 Sep 17, '11, 4:39 pm

How do you explain celibate gay Catholics?

cemiller · #2 Sep 17, '11, 5:24 pm

I know that NARTH has done a ton of research on this, and they have fairly good success rate with therapy. I would guess that a lot of celibate gay-tendacy Catholics probably haven't tried NARTH. A lot of negativity is pointed towards them because they are trying to re-orientate homosexuals, which the gay movement and the media can't stand. A lot of people are also still under the impression that homosexuals are "born that way" even though there has been no substantial evidence for this. The APA actually just changed their statements on homosexuality to remove the biological roots of homosexuality, and are now saying that environmental causes are most likely the cause of a homosexual orientation. You can check out www.narth.com for more info.

Wowbagger · #3 Sep 17, '11, 6:12 pm

I don't believe homosexuals can generally change their orientation. An alcoholic can stop drinking; he can't stop wanting to.

Just wanted to get that out there, lest some outsider pops along and thinks Catholicism officially teaches that homosexuality is a choice or something.

Jim Dandy · #4 Sep 17, '11, 6:29 pm

The Catholic Medical Society on Same-Sex Attractions:

http://www.narth.com/docs/hope.html

On the known causes of SSA:

http://catholiceducation.org/article...ty/ho0087.html

havana1 · #5 Sep 17, '11, 7:24 pm

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Originally Posted by followingtheway

How do you explain celibate gay Catholics?

And conversely, how do you explain the absence of any testimony from the wives of the supposedly "ex-gay" guys who are now happily married? Where are the wives of these "ex-gay" men? Why haven't we heard from them?

The most reasonable and logical conclusion to both questions is, of course, that they were never gay to begin with.

Hopemercy · #6 Sep 17, '11, 8:31 pm

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Originally Posted by followingtheway

How do you explain celibate gay Catholics?

Not sure what your point is?

Celibacy is celibacy.

Society is obsessed with sex issues; let us not get infected with this disease.

followingtheway · #7 Sep 17, '11, 8:42 pm

These are all great answers! Thanks everyone!

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Not sure what your point is?

My point at that time was that if someone is not indulging in homosexual attractions and still why do they still have the attractions?

Hopemercy · #8 Sep 18, '11, 4:01 am

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Originally Posted by followingtheway

These are all great answers! Thanks everyone!

My point at that time was that if someone is not indulging in homosexual attractions and still why do they still have the attractions?

Ah I see.

And I repeat, does it matter? Any more than hetero sexual attractions matter outside marriage?

St Francis · #9 Sep 18, '11, 5:12 am

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Originally Posted by followingtheway

These are all great answers! Thanks everyone!

My point at that time was that if someone is not indulging in homosexual attractions and still why do they still have the attractions?

Just because someone does not indulge their attraction doesn't mean it goes away. A diabetic can still yearn for chocolate years after they've stopped eating candy.

cemiller · #10 Sep 18, '11, 6:32 am

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Originally Posted by havana1

And conversely, how do you explain the absence of any testimony from the wives of the supposedly "ex-gay" guys who are now happily married? Where are the wives of these "ex-gay" men? Why haven't we heard from them?

The most reasonable and logical conclusion to both questions is, of course, that they were never gay to begin with.

http://narth.com/docs/leaving2.html

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56487

http://www.pfox.org/videos.html

There are a few testimonies. I'm sure you can find more if you look, but that was just a quick search. How many testimonies would you require to accept it? Or would you simply say that if a man is now straight he was never homosexual? I'm sure the ex-gay men and women would argue with you there...

followingtheway · #11 Sep 18, '11, 6:47 am

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And I repeat, does it matter?

Well I did make a thread about it. So my opinion is obviously yes.

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Originally Posted by St Francis

Just because someone does not indulge their attraction doesn't mean it goes away. A diabetic can still yearn for chocolate years after they've stopped eating candy.

Yes but this question is aimed at people who believe homosexuals can change their orientation, since they believe that when someone stops indulging in homosexuality, they become heterosexual.

**puzzleannie** · #12 Sep 18, '11, 6:49 am

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Originally Posted by followingtheway

How do you explain celibate gay Catholics?

I don't explain them, why should I? what does this have to do with the question in your thread title? why do they need explanation? What business is it of anyone here how a Catholic chooses to live out their faith in the light of Christ's teaching?

followingtheway · #13 Sep 18, '11, 6:52 am

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I don't explain them, why should I? what does this have to do with the question in your thread title? why do they need explanation? What business is it of anyone here how a Catholic chooses to live out their faith in the light of Christ's teaching?

What the

? Wow

? You're misunderstanding. This WAS AIMED AT CATHOLICS WHO BELIEVE gay people can become straights. MY POINT WAS THAT (AND EVERYONE READ THIS) was that if people who stop indulging in homosexuality become heterosexuals, why are there gay celibate Catholics?

havana1 · #14 Sep 18, '11, 7:24 am

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http://www.pfox.org/videos.html

There are a few testimonies. I'm sure you can find more if you look, but that was just a quick search. How many testimonies would you require to accept it? Or would you simply say that if a man is now straight he was never homosexual? I'm sure the ex-gay men and women would argue with you there...

None of those "testimonies" - at pfox.corg - are dated or signed - anybody could have written them. Those are the only "wives" giving any testimony? That's it? Seriously?

Yes, I would simply say that if the man's now straight, he was never gay to begin with. There's no such thing as "ex-gay."

havana1 · #15 Sep 18, '11, 7:31 am

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Originally Posted by puzzleannie

I don't explain them, why should I? what does this have to do with the question in your thread title? why do they need explanation? What business is it of anyone here how a Catholic chooses to live out their faith in the light of Christ's teaching?

Paragraph # 2359 of Catechism of the Catholic Church calls homosexuals to a life of chastity. Therefore, I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask where the whole SSA/"ex-gay" thing fits in with the Magisterium.