Catholics who do NOT practice veneration of Mary or the Saints...

losh14 · #1 Sep 26, '11, 3:01 pm

If you're a Catholic who does not venerate Mary or the Saints, what are your spiritual exercises? Do you have a prayer life, and if so what kind of prayer do you tend to pray?

Pfaffenhoffen · #2 Sep 26, '11, 4:31 pm

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Originally Posted by losh14

If you're a Catholic who does not venerate Mary or the Saints, what are your spiritual exercises? Do you have a prayer life, and if so what kind of prayer do you tend to pray?

The Most Holy Trinity.
Though Mary is the Mediatrix of All Graces, so it is better not to cut corners.....
You may not have devotion but pray nevertheless..
Pray is not a "feeling" it is an action, a work, like the Benedictins said: "Ora et Labora"

Seamus L · #3 Sep 26, '11, 4:35 pm

I don't believe it's possible to be a Catholic and not venerate the Blessed Mother.

TrueLight · #4 Sep 26, '11, 4:43 pm

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Originally Posted by losh14

If you're a Catholic who does not venerate Mary or the Saints, what are your spiritual exercises? Do you have a prayer life, and if so what kind of prayer do you tend to pray?

What do you mean by veneration, exactly?

I've been reading Divine Mercy in my Soul by Saint Maria Faustina and I believe the relationship Saint Maria Faustina has with Jesus and our Blessed Mother is exemplary.

It's all about Jesus. And Mary protects Maria Faustina and teaches her about her son.

Saint Maria Faustina in turn, venerates Mary as she should. There is no undue fixation on the Mother, while ignoring the Son.

Dorothy · #5 Sep 26, '11, 4:56 pm

It is hard for me to imagine not venerating our Blessed Mother, or asking for the intercession of fellow members of the Body of Christ who are with the Lord. (saints).

Of course the Blessed Trinity is first and foremost, but I feel so blessed to be part of this wonderful family in the Lord!

pinctor · #6 Sep 26, '11, 5:23 pm

On the other hand, I heard a missioner many years ago, say from the pulpit, "Your salvation depends on your devotion to Mary!"
I thought then, as I think now, this statement to be over the top.

jgs777 · #7 Sep 26, '11, 6:02 pm

A devotion to Our Blessed Mother and the Saints is vital in trying to obtain everlasting life.

If you ask them to pray for you, you have a better chance of joining Our Heavenly Father in His Kingdom.

I wear the Brown Scapular, and The Blessed Mother said, "Whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire"

THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! and EVERYONE should wear one!!

God Bless You!!!!!!

TrueLight · #8 Sep 26, '11, 6:05 pm

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I wear the Brown Scapular, and The Blessed Mother said, "Whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire"

Even if they died in mortal sin?

**JRKH** · #9 Sep 26, '11, 6:45 pm

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Originally Posted by pinctor

On the other hand, I heard a missioner many years ago, say from the pulpit, "Your salvation depends on your devotion to Mary!"
I thought then, as I think now, this statement to be over the top.

Indeed. Lumen Gentium says this in Para 67

67. This most Holy Synod deliberately teaches this Catholic doctrine and at the same time admonishes all the sons of the Church that the cult, especially the liturgical cult, of the Blessed Virgin, be generously fostered,....But it exhorts theologians and preachers of the divine word to abstain zealously both from all gross exaggerations as well as from petty narrow-mindedness in considering the singular dignity of the Mother of God.

Peace
James

**JRKH** · #10 Sep 26, '11, 6:49 pm

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A devotion to Our Blessed Mother and the Saints is vital in trying to obtain everlasting life.

Can you point me to where the Church teaches that such devotion is "Vital" (as in necessary)? Thank you.

Peace
James

**JRKH** · #11 Sep 26, '11, 6:56 pm

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Originally Posted by losh14

If you're a Catholic who does not venerate Mary or the Saints, what are your spiritual exercises? Do you have a prayer life, and if so what kind of prayer do you tend to pray?

I'm not sure what you mean by "venerate" here but I assume you are referring to those who do not have a special devotion or pray regularly to Mary and the Saints...
I am one such person, though I certainly does not mean that I don't Love and venerate our Blessed Mother or my Saintly Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

As to my prayer life, yes I have one, though it is not as strong as it should be. I pray every evening before bed, I pray during the day (ejaculatory prayers) - I don't do a lot of Morning prayers except for a quick thank you to God for the day.
The Majority of my prayers are actually directed (as Jesus instructed) to our Heavenly Father. Few are terribly formal or prepared, though I have a couple of short prayers of my own devising that I use.
I also pray the Rosary or the Divine Mercy Chaplet on a Rosary blessed by my Great treat uncle more than 80 years ago....

Peace
James

MS_SURVEYOR · #12 Sep 26, '11, 10:22 pm

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I wear the Brown Scapular, and The Blessed Mother said, "Whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire"

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

Even if they died in mortal sin?

No! She would be sure the scapular would be removed before death.

In my short return to the church I have receive many graces from Mary, the Saints, and Arch Angels. It seems to me that they are the messengers. The front line between the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and the Father. To know Mary, the Saints, and Arch Angels, you know the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and the Father. I feel as if I'm praying to, and with my family. I don't have to. But it feels right and just. Wearing the Brown Scapular I don't commit mortal sins. Because Mary, and the Holy Spirit are with me at all times. Telling my soul what is right and wrong. An ever reminder with me at all times. It must be working because Satan is nothing more than a Whisper. I can't even begin to explain the answered prayers.

Thank You Jesus!
Thank You God!
Thank You Holy Spirit!
Thank You Mary!
Thank You St. Jude!
Thank You St. Therese!
Thank You Saint Michael, the Archangel!
Thank You all the Saints for your Help!

Peace Be With You!

ms

jgs777 · #13 Sep 27, '11, 10:17 am

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Originally Posted by JRKH

Can you point me to where the Church teaches that such devotion is "Vital" (as in necessary)? Thank you.

Peace
James

I do not know if the Church says this is vital or not, what I meant by saying that was your chances will be much greater if you have the Mother of Jesus on your side than if you go it alone.

Seamus L · #14 Sep 27, '11, 10:36 am

The fact that the Feast of the Immaculate Conception and the Feast of the Assumption are Holy Days of obligation should tell you something.

**JRKH** · #15 Sep 27, '11, 10:45 am

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I do not know if the Church says this is vital or not, what I meant by saying that was your chances will be much greater if you have the Mother of Jesus on your side than if you go it alone.

Thank you for clarifying this. It concerns me when such comments are made as they can be misunderstood by others who are not as familiar in the faith. This especially true of our protestant brothers and sisters who might be looking in.

To your comment above --
With all due honor to our blessed lady, the way to have her on"your side" is for us to be on Jesus' side.

If we are on "Jesus" side, then Mary and all the saints are for us, whether we pray to them or not.

Don't get me wrong I have no objection to intercessory prayer, I just with to guard against anyone getting the wrong impression of Church teaching.

Peace
James