purgatory not in bible

catholic1 · #1 Jun 14, '05, 5:09 pm

there is no reference to purgatory in the bible james white made that very clear in his debate this was a money making venture by the church that i love the reformers were correct on there stance of the churvh

J.W.B. · #2 Jun 14, '05, 5:19 pm

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Originally Posted by catholic1

there is no reference to purgatory in the bible james white made that very clear in his debate this was a money making venture by the church that i love the reformers were correct on there stance of the churvh

According to who? Your interpretation? Purgatory seems pretty clear to me. Check out the "Catholic Answers" website to help you.

There is no reference to "Trinity" in the Bible either, but it's in there

Sarah Jane · #3 Jun 14, '05, 5:22 pm

The purgatory is in the Bible!

The Roots of Purgatory
http://www.catholic.com/library/Roots_of_Purgatory.asp

Karen Anne · #4 Jun 14, '05, 5:43 pm

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There is no reference to "Trinity" in the Bible either, but it's in there

Well now - that is something to really think about, isn't it? Why ARE we expected to beieve something that is NOT there?? Hmmmm.....

Karen Anne

Sherlock · #5 Jun 14, '05, 5:50 pm

Catholic1,

I take it that English is not your first language?

If you love the Church (as I think you say you do, though the grammar makes that difficult to say for sure), then I would expect that means, at the very least, that you have read extensively about the Church's doctrine on Purgatory and why we believe it (and yes, it does have Scriptural support). So---where do the Church's arguments fall short, in your opinion? Obviously they must have, since you have abandoned the Catholic position on this matter. Perhaps you could tell me the arguments FOR the doctrine of Purgatory, and then the arguments AGAINST the doctrine. That way I will be able to see the nature of your objection and see the reasoning process that led you to this conclusion.

Gracie2004 · #6 Jun 14, '05, 5:59 pm

1 Peter 4:6, in the New Testament even...hm...imagine that,...something in the new testament that refers to a Catholic doctrine...amazing.

aridite · #7 Jun 14, '05, 6:03 pm

Purgatory is the state in which a soul which had been redeemed by Christ and assured of a place in heaven is purified of the harm done to itself by its sin. Purgatory is the state in which, after having been judged, as Jesus put it, "you will never get out till you have paid the last penny" (Mt 5:25-26). The soul in purgatory is saved by the redeeming sacrifice of Jesus from the guilt and estrangement from God which its sins justly deserve. But, while the soul is redeemed from guilt, it is still imperfect, impure and unclean. "But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven] . . ." (Rev. 21:27). The souls of the redeemed in purgatory still need to be sanctified and made perfect. Purgatory is the state where the damage to one’s character from one’s sin (e.g., being a sensuous or an angry person) are cleansed away (i.e., purged as by fire) as they were meant to be by penances during one’s life.

(T)he work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Cor. 3:13-15).

The prayers and sufferings of other Christians in the Body of Christ can help heal the spiritual hurt that others suffer. "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church" (Col 1:24). The ability of the faithful to help make up for the sufferings lacking in the Body of Christ applies even to those souls who are suffering the purification of purgatory. The Scripture that most clearly attests to this continuous tradition of the Church is just as controversial as the tradition itself, for it is contained in one of the books of the Greek Old Testament that was rejected by Martin Luther and Protestants in the 16th century.

For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin (2 Macc. 12:44-45).

Scott Waddell · #8 Jun 14, '05, 6:07 pm

Anyone else's spidey-sense tingling?

Scott

Gracie2004 · #9 Jun 14, '05, 6:10 pm

yes, catholic1 is posting alot and winking? What's up?

Gracie

milimac · #10 Jun 14, '05, 6:20 pm

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yes, catholic1 is posting alot and winking? What's up?

Gracie

Me think catholic1 not really Catholic. No can discuss issues honestly or back up of points.

Cairisti · #11 Jun 14, '05, 6:27 pm

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Anyone else's spidey-sense tingling?

Scott

Yep, not just tingling, but roaring! Funny how the OP's profile say's he's Catholic, but the theads he's started are anything but. Hummmmm. We wonders precious, we wonders....

J.W.B. · #12 Jun 14, '05, 6:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Karen Anne

Well now - that is something to really think about, isn't it? Why ARE we expected to beieve something that is NOT there?? Hmmmm.....

Karen Anne

What I mean is that the word "Trinity" is not in there. I should not have said "reference."

Lisa4Catholics · #13 Jun 14, '05, 8:05 pm

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Yep, not just tingling, but roaring! Funny how the OP's profile say's he's Catholic, but the theads he's started are anything but. Hummmmm. We wonders precious, we wonders....

I strongly suspect the poster is yesorno recently suspended for peddling cuttingedge AntiCatholic material by Everette and Rebecca Sexton who I engaged via e-mail a while back.

piety101 · #14 Jun 14, '05, 8:07 pm

Catholic1

A little evidence for such a statement

Catholics4Life · #15 Jun 14, '05, 8:19 pm

Thanks for trying to inform those of us who you think are living in an ignornant state. May we have some verses to prove that purgatory does not exist? Look out though because we have heard this claim many, many, many, many, many times before, so we are prepared to refute your false claim. That is if you wish to actually talk bible verses rather than simply making statements and ending them with this little guy -->

. He is a cute little smiley face but he is not really proving your points. God bless you for your noble attempts to try and save us though. We never knew that others did not believe in purgatory. Okay, so we have heard it before, but we don't get why some don't get it. It is right there in black and white.