Are You Surprised By The Medical Examiners Findings??

[Mom of one]

Originally Posted by norbert

She had cardiac arrest due to potassium imbalance, not a heart attack.

The coroner's report disputes that. I just read it.

[swampfox]

Originally Posted by norbert

She had cardiac arrest due to potassium imbalance, not a heart attack.

That's one of Michael Schiavo's old stories.

[Servant1]

Originally Posted by wabrams

Unless it was caused by blunt trauma, your not going to find out 15 years after the fact through an autopsy.

A very ASTUTE observation! Chemical evidence of something like that wouldhave LONG past been gone.

[Servant1]

Originally Posted by epower

What else would you expect from a corrupt coroner who did not want anyone to witness the autopsy.

Documentation of corruption of medical examiner (NOT coroner), please. Documentation that he, as a qualified medical doctor, made a finding that you violently disagree with does not suffice. It's too easy to say "he's corrupt" since his findings disagree with what you wanted him to say. Would he have been corrupt had he agreed with your foregone conclusion, drawn without his level of knowledge and expertise?

[DustinsDad]

Originally Posted by Lisa N

Regardless of the damage to her brain, whether or not she would regain any functions was never the issue to me. She was still a human being.

Amen to that, and I'm sure everyone here feels the same way.

However, in the secular world, someone who can't function up to par with their norms and standards (providing utility to others or getting sexual pleasure from others), aren't human. Thus, they shifted the whole debate to whether or not she was or ever could function on an "acceptable" level. Even those on the Terri's side and some of her family fell pray to engaging this argument - perhaps out of understandable desperation in trying anything to save her life.

All that being said, I don't trust anything coming out of this coroner's "findings". These people are predisposed to the culture of death, and quite frankly, aren't going to say anything that would hurt their cause.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

[Servant1]

Originally Posted by norbert

She had cardiac arrest due to potassium imbalance, not a heart attack.

That's not really something that can be either confirmed or ruled out by autopsy this far after the event.

[Servant1]

Originally Posted by DustinsDad

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All that being said, I don't trust anything coming out of this coroner's "findings". These people are predisposed to the culture of death, and quite frankly, aren't going to say anything that would hurt their cause.

By "these people" do you mean coroners and medical examiners? (The person releasing the autopsy report, etc is a medical examiner, not a coroner.) That's a very broad generalization. Do you know any medical examiners? Are you familiar with their qualifications and their work (aside from CSI, etc on TV)? Same question for coroners - know any? Know their work? Ever work with either one?

I have. And your statement unfairly demonizes lots of good people based on no facts other than displeasure with this particular set of findings.

[Thekla]

Originally Posted by DustinsDad

However, in the secular world, someone who can't function up to par with their norms and standards (providing utility to others or getting sexual pleasure from others), aren't human.

You know I was listening to the Schindler's attorney tonight and he was actually pivoting to allege that this was about putting blind people to death. Function up to par? You make it sound so benign. She couldn't swallow on her own, had no cognitive function, and a brain severely atrophied. Function up to par? She couldn't function at all.

And one of the most vile things about this entire situation has been the hysterical rantings of those people intent on using Mrs. Schiavo for their own political bent. They railed and alleged horrible things about her husband with absolutely no evidence.

Even now when people have been proven incorrect, they don't do the decent thing and apologize for their conduct. Being wrong doesn't fit with their ideology. Instead they move on and find some other horrible thing to allege with no evidence.

As a Catholic, I understand that many people sincerely want everyone kept alive as long as possible. But it's not their decision, nor should it be.

There is nothing to fear in death and medical science will continually come up with ways to keep it at bay. But every family, at one time or another, will have to decide how much of that science is too much. I was always taught as a Catholic that we were responsible for our own decisions and we were acting on the side of right if our conscience was clear.

I barely recognize what some describe here; that personal responsibility and reconciling in our own hearts isn't the way.

[DustinsDad]

Originally Posted by Servant1

By "these people" do you mean coroners and medical examiners?

Not in general, no. I mean the people in their camp - the pro-euthanasia crowd. This means the doctors, medical examiners, judges, attorney's, etc who - facts be damned - promote the culture of death.

I haven't followed this story for a while, but there was enough conflict of interest along with so-called-experts in the medical field who had ties to organized pro-euthanasia movement, that anything coming out of this county is suspect.

Sorry for the confusion - didn't mean to denigrate the entire ME profession.

DustinsDad

[DustinsDad]

Originally Posted by Thekla

...Function up to par? You make it sound so benign. She couldn't swallow on her own, had no cognitive function, and a brain severely atrophied. Function up to par? She couldn't function at all.

Nope - you are attempting to make killing her sound so benign.

This isn't about a naturally occuring inevitable and imminent death - it's about starving and dehydrating a woman to death. If she couldn't function at all she'd have been dead minutes after pulling the feeding tube, rather than lingering and suffering for almost two weeks.

And if she couldn't function at all and had no ability to swallow, then the other side would have had no problem with the family trying to give her water or food orally.

And if she couldn't function at all, she would have needed to be on a respirator, rather than merely needing food and water. We all need that.

I was always taught as a Catholic that...we were acting on the side of right if our conscience was clear.

You were taught wrong. A consience can be unformed, misinformed, distorted, and eventually destroyed.

DustinsDad

[Mom of one]

I read the ME's findings. You need Acrobat Reader, as they are PDF.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/6140...s_Attorney.htm

[Bella3502]

You took the words out of my mouth... I would like to see some documentation as well.

[Lilyofthevalley]

She couldn't function at all.

That sounds like half the people in nursing homes,across the country should they meet the same fate as Terri Schiavo?After all their existance is such a burden to society.

[Thekla]

Originally Posted by DustinsDad

You were taught wrong. A consience can be unformed, misinformed, distorted, and eventually destroyed.
DustinsDad

She couldn't function at all and people are going to have to deal with medical advances rather than pretend they aren't artificial in nature.

I don't think I was taught wrong. I think that there are those in the Church who don't like the idea of personal responsibility and instead prefer control. Who's to say when the conscience is uninformed, misinformed, or distorted? You?

[Lilyofthevalley]

..The fact that she could not function on her own means she should have been protectedSociety should protect those who are helpless.