Terri Schiavo Autopsy Results

[Detroit Sue]

From CNN

You'll notice that CNN makes a point of noting that Terri's brain only weighed 615 grams as opposed to Karen Ann Quinlan's 835 grams. Duh-uh! Dehydration affects EVERY organ. No wonder her brain was so small, it was dry!

Of course, the autopsy report also states that Terri was NOT terminally ill, and could have lived for a decade or more. I'm not buying the blind bit, though. There have been cases of people being diagnosed as blind, with no possible chance at vision, who do see.

[Lisa4Catholics]

Originally Posted by Detroit Sue

From CNN

You'll notice that CNN makes a point of noting that Terri's brain only weighed 615 grams as opposed to Karen Ann Quinlan's 835 grams. Duh-uh! Dehydration affects EVERY organ. No wonder her brain was so small, it was dry!

Of course, the autopsy report also states that Terri was NOT terminally ill, and could have lived for a decade or more. I'm not buying the blind bit, though. There have been cases of people being diagnosed as blind, with no possible chance at vision, who do see.

I don't buy it either They have also been calling her brain dead on the media,which is just another blatent lie,there little pro-death spin

[Giannawannabe]

I'm of the thought that it doesn't matter if Terri was "brain dead" or in a "persistive vegetative state". Her life was valuable irregardless of her level of brain function. I know that this particular issue was the crux of the whole argument. However, to me, it just not matter what condition her brain was in. She was a human being who was alive and had a soul. She was declined food and water and died because of this action. The autopsy results did not prove anything one way or the other for either side I'm afraid. God bless Terri--I'm sure she's in Heaven now and the size and function of her brain doesn't matter.

[streetcar]

It was a mercy killing.

If I'm ever a vegetable like her, I expect people to do the same to me. Except I'd ask them to get it over quicker - just lodge a bullet in my skull and get it over with.

Put yourself in her situation and try living like that for a few years. I can't imagine that at all. Assuming a thing like sanity exists during this state, I'd lose my mind in a matter of days. I'd be praying for my death.

[Jennifer123]

Originally Posted by streetcar

It was a mercy killing.

If I'm ever a vegetable like her, I expect people to do the same to me. Except I'd ask them to get it over quicker - just lodge a bullet in my skull and get it over with.

Put yourself in her situation and try living like that for a few years. I can't imagine that at all. Assuming a thing like sanity exists during this state, I'd lose my mind in a matter of days. I'd be praying for my death.

I hope by visiting these forums you can come to an understanding of the sanctity of life. God Bless.

[Little Mary]

Originally Posted by streetcar

It was a mercy killing.

If I'm ever a vegetable like her, I expect people to do the same to me. Except I'd ask them to get it over quicker - just lodge a bullet in my skull and get it over with.

Put yourself in her situation and try living like that for a few years. I can't imagine that at all. Assuming a thing like sanity exists during this state, I'd lose my mind in a matter of days. I'd be praying for my death.

When a person dies should be G-d's decision and no one elses - not even your own. If I was suffering, I would try and endure it and remember how Jesus suffered on the cross. I would pray that
G-d accepts my suffering as some atonement for sin.

[Thekla]

Does anyone know what happened to the earlier thread with the same title? It's not in Culture of Life. Thanks.

[Mom of one]

Originally Posted by streetcar

It was a mercy killing.

If I'm ever a vegetable like her, I expect people to do the same to me. Except I'd ask them to get it over quicker - just lodge a bullet in my skull and get it over with.

Put yourself in her situation and try living like that for a few years. I can't imagine that at all. Assuming a thing like sanity exists during this state, I'd lose my mind in a matter of days. I'd be praying for my death.

#1 There was NO mercy in starving and dehydrating her.

#2 She was NOT a vegetable. Carrots don't cry. Brocolli doesn't breathe. Terming someone a "vegetable" dehumanizes them, much like using words to dehumanize blacks(so they could be made slaves without hurting a conscience) and Jews. Recall Nazi Germany?

#3 My biggest fear in life was chronic pain. Well, guess what? I now live in chronic pain due to arthritis in my hips. Some days it hurts to move. Some days I feel like I want a bullet through my brain.But life is a gift from God. "Take up your cross and follow Me." I don't know what life would be like in that state, but I suspect that it wouldn't be as bad as fear makes it. Life in chronic pain is not as bad as fear made it. Yes, there are the horrid days, but then there are days that are good, too. Thank God for that!

[aimee]

Originally Posted by Thekla

Does anyone know what happened to the earlier thread with the same title? It's not in Culture of Life. Thanks.

It was closed...but some simular threads in culture of death forum..

[ThornGenX]

Originally Posted by streetcar

It was a mercy killing.

If I'm ever a vegetable like her, I expect people to do the same to me. Except I'd ask them to get it over quicker - just lodge a bullet in my skull and get it over with.

Put yourself in her situation and try living like that for a few years. I can't imagine that at all. Assuming a thing like sanity exists during this state, I'd lose my mind in a matter of days. I'd be praying for my death.

I still say "err on the side of life." I would hope and pray that you change your mind and choose life.

[streetcar]

Originally Posted by Momofone

#1 There was NO mercy in starving and dehydrating her.

I agree. Personally I would of recommended something much quicker, like a lethal injection.

#2 She was NOT a vegetable. Carrots don't cry. Brocolli doesn't breathe. Terming someone a "vegetable" dehumanizes them, much like using words to dehumanize blacks(so they could be made slaves without hurting a conscience) and Jews. Recall Nazi Germany?

Use whatever vocabulary you choose - she was not a functioning human being. Not being able to communicate with others and just blankly staring off into space with a feeding tube down your throat isn't my idea of living.

#3 My biggest fear in life was chronic pain. Well, guess what? I now live in chronic pain due to arthritis in my hips. Some days it hurts to move. Some days I feel like I want a bullet through my brain.But life is a gift from God. "Take up your cross and follow Me." I don't know what life would be like in that state, but I suspect that it wouldn't be as bad as fear makes it. Life in chronic pain is not as bad as fear made it. Yes, there are the horrid days, but then there are days that are good, too. Thank God for that!

I live in chronic pain as well. I'd rather not divulge all of my medical problems here (this isn't the proper thread for it) but I can see where you're coming from...some days are better than others. But regardless I thank God everyday that I am still a walking, functioning human being, and am not in a state like Schiavo once was.


I know my responses may seem cold hearted, I realize that, but that still doesn't change my opinion.

[streetcar]

Originally Posted by Jennifer123

I hope by visiting these forums you can come to an understanding of the sanctity of life. God Bless.

Just by that one statement you assume that I don't understand the sanctity of life?

I know your intentions are well, but don't be so quick to assume things.

[swampfox]

Originally Posted by streetcar

Just by that one statement you assume that I don't understand the sanctity of life?

I know your intentions are well, but don't be so quick to assume things.

Streetcar. This one's for you.
Still dead.

http://www.redstate.org/
By: trevino · Section: Social Issues


The results of Terri Schiavo's autopsy are in, and it appears that the poor woman was in even a more frightful state than was assumed: she was blind, her brain was shrunk to half size by weight, and she could not have ingested sustenance without the infamous tube. What, then, does this change in hindsight on the pro-life case for keeping her alive?
Precisely nothing.

Those claiming vindication for their advocacy of Schiavo's killing by virtue of this autopsy must ipso facto accept one of several monstrous premises: either that humanity is not something intrinsic, but dependent upon function; or that humanity's intrinsic nature is irrelevant as it is not worth preserving per se; or that humanity is worth preserving per se, but not so worth preserving as to grant its existence the benefit of the doubt in doubtful cases. This is, in turn, a utilitarian evil, a nihilistic evil, and an apathetic evil. Ronald Reagan, in explaining why those who doubted the humanity of the fetus should be against abortion, asked whether, if one did not know what was in a paper bag, if one would nonetheless kick it. We know: there are those who would kick it, and kick it hard. They won this fight, a woman is dead -- a woman, not a "vegetable," nor a "shell," nor a "body," nor any other euphemistic noun meant to distract from the essence of what was done to whom -- and the proponents of that death are claiming the vindication of their victory. Because, you see, she wasn't much of a woman. Not much of a person. Not much of a soul. The pitiable irony is that in asserting this, the continued existence whose justification they most undercut is their own.

[Lorarose]

Ummmm....pvs cannot be diagnosed by autopsy.
It is not a subjective diagnosis, but rather a clinical diagnosis that requires a living patient to be observed, usually by a team of doctors and therapists.
I smell a rat...

http://www.blogsforterri.com/archive...ws_on.php#more

[swampfox]

Originally Posted by streetcar

Just by that one statement you assume that I don't understand the sanctity of life?

I know your intentions are well, but don't be so quick to assume things.

Streetcar. This one's for you.
Still dead.

http://www.redstate.org/
By: trevino · Section: Social Issues


The results of Terri Schiavo's autopsy are in, and it appears that the poor woman was in even a more frightful state than was assumed: she was blind, her brain was shrunk to half size by weight, and she could not have ingested sustenance without the infamous tube. What, then, does this change in hindsight on the pro-life case for keeping her alive?
Precisely nothing.

Those claiming vindication for their advocacy of Schiavo's killing by virtue of this autopsy must ipso facto accept one of several monstrous premises: either that humanity is not something intrinsic, but dependent upon function; or that humanity's intrinsic nature is irrelevant as it is not worth preserving per se; or that humanity is worth preserving per se, but not so worth preserving as to grant its existence the benefit of the doubt in doubtful cases. This is, in turn, a utilitarian evil, a nihilistic evil, and an apathetic evil. Ronald Reagan, in explaining why those who doubted the humanity of the fetus should be against abortion, asked whether, if one did not know what was in a paper bag, if one would nonetheless kick it. We know: there are those who would kick it, and kick it hard. They won this fight, a woman is dead -- a woman, not a "vegetable," nor a "shell," nor a "body," nor any other euphemistic noun meant to distract from the essence of what was done to whom -- and the proponents of that death are claiming the vindication of their victory. Because, you see, she wasn't much of a woman. Not much of a person. Not much of a soul. The pitiable irony is that in asserting this, the continued existence whose justification they most undercut is their own.