Frist Defends Remarks on Schiavo Case

[Thekla]

Originally Posted by Momofone

Did you read the autopsy report? Again, I have. I know what the autopsy said. It said very clearly that PVS is a clinical diagnosis.

Why does it matter? Because it is being used to say that she was so bad that she should have been allowed to die. It is being used to scare people. It is being used to say that she was not a person(by some).

Yes I read it; that's how I know about the neuropathology report. I also listened to the medical examiner. The report said that PVS is a clinical diagnosis and the medical examiner said that the massive damage to the brain was "very consistent" with PVS.

You suggest that people say she was not a person. Can you give an example?

[Mom of one]

Originally Posted by Thekla

Yes I read it; that's how I know about the neuropathology report. I also listened to the medical examiner. The report said that PVS is a clinical diagnosis and the medical examiner said that the massive damage to the brain was "very consistent" with PVS.

You suggest that people say she was not a person. Can you give an example?

I'm so glad you read it. Not many people are willing to read for themselves; they tend to believe everything of what they hear. It's alot like the game of telephone-you start out with one message from the first person and by the time it gets back around, it's completely different.
I can give a good example. I have a patient who is, in my understanding, in a PVS. (Terri was in much better shape than this little girl; even her mom says that.) People that the mom knows were using PVS to say that Terri was not a person. The mom was so upset because by that reasoning, her daughter should be dead.

Oh, I also want to add that commonly, people with PVS don't live more than 10 years. We'll never know for sure because the tests used to diagnose Terri were never done. I know that I'd be the first to say that she did have it if the tests showed that she did.

[trailblazer]

Originally Posted by TPJCatholic

Frist, jut like Bush, is a coward.

TPJCATHOLIC: EPLAIN HOW FRIST IS A COWARD! Accusations should not be made without back up!

[JOHNYJ]

The Schiavo case was not a plus for the Image of Catholcs. The wild accusations coming from Catholic priests was appalling murderer, abuser, all without any evidence at all.Having 9 year old children arrested to push their parents opinions.
She could talk,she could see, she could swallow, all lies.
Than President Bush and that Right wing house of Representitives sticking its nose where it didn't belong.
The American people knew hogwash when they see it 82% said the govt. should stay the hell out.
In Christian charity the best that could be said for the people that pushed this was. The Road to Hell is Paved with good intentions !

[Lisa4Catholics]

Originally Posted by JOHNYJ

The Schiavo case was not a plus for the Image of Catholcs. The wild accusations coming from Catholic priests was appalling murderer, abuser, all without any evidence at all.Having 9 year old children arrested to push their parents opinions.
She could talk,she could see, she could swallow, all lies.
Than President Bush and that Right wing house of Representitives sticking its nose where it didn't belong.
The American people knew hogwash when they see it 82% said the govt. should stay the hell out.
In Christian charity the best that could be said for the people that pushed this was. The Road to Hell is Paved with good intentions !

It was MURDER!She was MURDERED!She was NOT DYING until she was not only starved and dehydrated to death but the Judge made sure by court order she didn't get any food or water by mouth either!Father Pavone told the TRUTH Good intentions indeed

[Lisa4Catholics]

Originally Posted by JOHNYJ

The Schiavo case was not a plus for the Image of Catholcs. The wild accusations coming from Catholic priests was appalling murderer, abuser, all without any evidence at all.Having 9 year old children arrested to push their parents opinions.
She could talk,she could see, she could swallow, all lies.
Than President Bush and that Right wing house of Representitives sticking its nose where it didn't belong.
The American people knew hogwash when they see it 82% said the govt. should stay the hell out.
In Christian charity the best that could be said for the people that pushed this was. The Road to Hell is Paved with good intentions !

By the way check the Schaivo forum there is more evidence than you care to know about.The Catholic image should never support the murder of the innocent. And remember when Hitler had his disabled citizens done away with the world was not very sympathetic until he came after the ones deemed "worthy"

[Mom of one]

Originally Posted by JOHNYJ

The Schiavo case was not a plus for the Image of Catholcs. The wild accusations coming from Catholic priests was appalling murderer, abuser, all without any evidence at all.Having 9 year old children arrested to push their parents opinions.
She could talk,she could see, she could swallow, all lies.
Than President Bush and that Right wing house of Representitives sticking its nose where it didn't belong.
The American people knew hogwash when they see it 82% said the govt. should stay the hell out.
In Christian charity the best that could be said for the people that pushed this was. The Road to Hell is Paved with good intentions !

#1 Are you actually accusing good priests of lying?

#2 There is plenty of evidence. Court and medical documents, testimony from Michael himself where he contradicts himself time after time, witnesses, etc.

#3 The American people didn't know hogwash. The MSM said that she was brain-dead and/or in a PVS, that she had a heart attack, bulemia, all which were proven wrong by the autopsy. Yet the American people bought it.

#4 And as for 9 year olds being arrested to "push" their parent's opinions-9 year olds have their own opinions, too! Heck, a 3 year old can tell a "fetus" is a baby, so a 9 year old can tell when a woman is being starved to death. Does anybody say this when a child is out protesting war?

[JOHNYJ]

Guess I hit a nerve. When you publicly call someone a murderer and a wife beater you should have some evidence. When you claim a person can recognise people you should have more than 40 seconds of a 4 hour video to depend on.Now as too lying priests. His Eminence the Cardinal archbishop of Boston bernard Law .In public said the pedophile accusations of the Boston Globe were lies, he had to apologise for that. He said that the bishops of boston had not,transfered accused child molesters from one parish to another,he had to admit that was a lie.He denied paying people not to report the crimes to the police,he admitted that was a lie, a Cardinal of the Catholic church. After him at least 6 Catholic bishops repeatedly lied about there handling of the molestation of children in their diocese. All had to in the end, confess their statements were lies. So do I believe that 2 or three Catholic priests with a cause can lie to make their point, You bet.The Schiavo case was reviewed by multiple courts.The local court was presided over by a Republican,Southern Baptist, not one of those oft mentioned liberal,activist judges. Even he sided with the Husband.I think many good people were dupped by people with an agenda.

[Lisa4Catholics]

Originally Posted by JOHNYJ

Guess I hit a nerve. When you publicly call someone a murderer and a wife beater you should have some evidence. When you claim a person can recognise people you should have more than 40 seconds of a 4 hour video to depend on.Now as too lying priests. His Eminence the Cardinal archbishop of Boston bernard Law .In public said the pedophile accusations of the Boston Globe were lies, he had to apologise for that. He said that the bishops of boston had not,transfered accused child molesters from one parish to another,he had to admit that was a lie.He denied paying people not to report the crimes to the police,he admitted that was a lie, a Cardinal of the Catholic church. After him at least 6 Catholic bishops repeatedly lied about there handling of the molestation of children in their diocese. All had to in the end, confess their statements were lies. So do I believe that 2 or three Catholic priests with a cause can lie to make their point, You bet.The Schiavo case was reviewed by multiple courts.The local court was presided over by a Republican,Southern Baptist, not one of those oft mentioned liberal,activist judges. Even he sided with the Husband.I think many good people were dupped by people with an agenda.

There is evidence if you care to look at it.No her case was not looked at only the procedures Also he was asked to leave his church(Greer).

[Michael Francis]

Thank you to all who have participated in this discussion.
This thread is now closed.
I urge all concerned to maintain the highest levels of charity.