Pope declares "New World Economic Order"?

[Captain America]

I think it's clear that global business is a main cause of the "need" for global government. And it would probably actually facilitate the aims of Big Business. . . although I can't see, because of the diversity among nations, of any real good of it---I doubt any "global government" would really end up helping actual live persons, but would rather benefit Exxon, IBM, etc., not to mention the Other-Person's-Money-Movers of Wall Street.

[Nate13]

It will take a world-wide disaster to bring the World together under one banner. The 13 colonies were very independent as well, until the mutual enemy of the British Empire brought them under one banner.

[Barbkw]

Blessed John Paul and Pope Benedict have written about economics in the Catechism:

"2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism."

She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207

Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208

Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended."



More is available in the Catechism at: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a7.htm
under the heading "SECTION TWO - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS - CHAPTER TWO
"YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF" - ARTICLE 7 THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT - You shall not steal.186

[Swiss Guy]

This is actually from the pope's encyclical Veritas et Caritas. All it is really calling for is a UN that gives poorer countries more say, and that the UN should be able to help pull poor countries out of poverty. It is not calling for a one world government that controls us.

The more I have looked into this, the more I see it is being distorted by people online. It really isn't that bad.

Personally, I agree with it.

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by exnihilo

'We have seen how power became divorced from right, how power opposed right and crushed it, so that the state became an instrument for destroying right — a highly organized band of robbers, capable of threatening the whole world and driving it to the edge of the abyss.'

I would be surprised that he was personally advocating more government as a solution to any problem.

I'd like to use this but I'd like to cite the source. Do you know where the citation came from? Thank you.

[exnihilo]

Originally Posted by jamison

An excellent post, brother. This post has helped me understand a bit. I thank you.

You are welcome and thank you for the kind words.

Originally Posted by Ignatius

I'd like to use this but I'd like to cite the source. Do you know where the citation came from? Thank you.

The Pope said this to the Bundestag on his visit to Germany. He was specifically considering the German experience, but the idea of course transcends time, which is why the Pope was teaching from Biblical sources and the wisdom of Saint Augustine.

Apostolic Journey to Germany, Address of His Holiness Benedict XVI

This is a very interesting address and well worth reading. The Pope is speaking about things at a very different level than most other leaders. It is good and expected that the Pope is drawing people upwards, but it is also sad how far below world politics is.

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by Swiss Guy

This is actually from the pope's encyclical Veritas et Caritas. All it is really calling for is a UN that gives poorer countries more say, and that the UN should be able to help pull poor countries out of poverty. It is not calling for a one world government that controls us.

The more I have looked into this, the more I see it is being distorted by people online. It really isn't that bad.

Personally, I agree with it.

This is not the popes opinion in any way whatsoever. The paper even states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium.

[Swiss Guy]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

This is not the popes opinion in any way whatsoever. The paper even states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium.

I know. But PARTS of it are from the pope. Some parts (like a world bank - strange idea) aren't.

[Swiss Guy]

Originally Posted by Barbkw

Blessed John Paul and Pope Benedict have written about economics in the Catechism:

"2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism."

She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207

Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208

Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended."



More is available in the Catechism at: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a7.htm
under the heading "SECTION TWO - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS - CHAPTER TWO
"YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF" - ARTICLE 7 THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT - You shall not steal.186

Mixed economy = best form of economy imho.

To be more specific, distributism = best form of economy imho, in the form of the social market economy.

[MtnDwellar]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

This is not the popes opinion in any way whatsoever. The paper even states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium.

There was a paper recently issued from a Vatican Council.

The paper referenced in the OP is from Pope Benedict in 2009:

ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by MtnDwellar

There was a paper recently issued from a Vatican Council.

The paper referenced in the OP is from Pope Benedict in 2009:

ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

The paper itself states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium. The committee for peace and justice has run counter to the Magisterium before. They take Selective quotes taken out of context to support a leftist agenda not supported by The Magisterium.

[MtnDwellar]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

The paper itself states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium. The committee for peace and justice has run counter to the Magisterium before. They take Selective quotes taken out of context to support a leftist agenda not supported by The Magisterium.

As I said, you are not referring to the same paper as the OP.

Try this one

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...ritate_en.html

[cmforte]

Here are a few excerpts that pertain to this discussion:

From http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...ritate_en.html ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
CHAPTER FIVE

THE COOPERATION
OF THE HUMAN FAMILY

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.
________________________________________ _____

And from: http://www.news.va/en/news/full-text...rom-the-pontif :

Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace

TOWARDS REFORMING
THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL AND MONETARY SYSTEMS IN THE CONTEXT OF GLOBAL PUBLIC AUTHORITY

Vatican City
2011

An Authority over Globalization

Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in a way that Responds to the Needs of all Peoples

Conclusions

3. An Authority over Globalization

On the way to building a more fraternal and just human family and, even before that, a new humanism open to transcendence, Blessed John XXIII’s teaching seems especially timely. In the prophetic Encyclical Pacem in Terris of 1963, he observed that the world was heading towards ever greater unification. He then acknowledged the fact that a correspondence was lacking in the human community between the political organization “on a world level and the objective needs of the universal common good”. He also expressed the hope that one day “a true world political authority” would be created.

In view of the unification of the world engendered by the complex phenomenon of globalization, and of the importance of guaranteeing, in addition to other collective goods, the good of a free, stable world economic and financial system at the service of the real economy, today the teaching of Pacem in Terris appears to be even more vital and worthy of urgent implementation.
________________________________________ __________________________

Maybe my view of Christian prophecy and of the End Times is still somewhat prejudiced from decades of protestant influence, for I was taught to view world unification under a one world government and economy as a way for the Antichrist to gain control and fulfill the End Time prophecies of Christ and as found in Revelation, thus I was encouraged to be against globalization, and any person, entity, and belief that encouraged it.

Is the Catholic interpretation of End Time prophecy and of the Book of Revelations different? I still can not find any official view from the Magisterium on it. How can there be a 'unification of the world' when the world is fallen and sinful and no one person or entity can truely be trusted?

-Chris

[Abu]

Cmforte #43
How can there be a 'unification of the world' when the world is fallen and sinful and no one person or entity can truely be trusted?

We have to avoid allowing those, who want to misrepresent the Pope’s Caritas in Veritate, from misleading us.

Notice that Pope Benedict stipulates that true world political authority not only “would need to be regulated by law, [but also] to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity” (67). Subsidiarity “is the most effective antidote against any form of all-encompassing welfare state” (57). “Any form” of the “all-encompassing welfare state” must include a single, global or World State.

“Benedict XVI operates from Natural Law and not Neo-Kantian assumptions; for him, Natural Law and the World Community do not mean there must be a World State. The world authority or “governance” he describes refers mainly to the Natural Law and the need to bring various international organizations more fully into compliance with it. National politics have increasingly grown remote from the Natural Law. Therefore, we do need “a reform of the United Nations Organization . . . so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth” (67). But “the family of nations” exists within a global society, which as it moves towards societas perfecta, increasingly approximates the Natural Law. Once it has perfectly reflected the Natural Law, then obedience to the world authority will flow naturally, not by force, from the moral conscience of each member of this global society.

“Thus, a careful reading of Caritas in Veritate demonstrates that Benedict is not calling for a World State to fulfill functions that must come ultimately from the human heart. Q.E.D.”
See:
The Catholic Thing
Friday, 11 September 2009
Does the Catholic Church Favor World Government? (with apologies to Aquinas)
By Kevin M. Doak Question I: Does Benedict XVI advocate world government in Caritas in Veritate?
http://tinyurl.com/64v4a7y

[Jonatello]

Originally Posted by Swiss Guy

Mixed economy = best form of economy imho.

To be more specific, distributism = best form of economy imho, in the form of the social market economy.

Amen to that