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Old Nov 8, '11, 8:51 am
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Default Knights wearing hats in Church

I know it is not allowed for men to wear hats in church. Maybe someone here can tell me why the Knights of Columbus members are exempt from this rule. I tell you, the first time I saw this I was extremely upset and even now I do not think that this practice is appropriate. So, I'm willing to listen with an open mind for the reason this is allowed. Anyone know?
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Old Nov 8, '11, 8:59 am
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There is no such 'rule;, but rather a social convention.

Case in point, bishops wear mitres and zuchettos at Mass
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Old Nov 8, '11, 9:10 am
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I know it is not allowed for men to wear hats in church. Maybe someone here can tell me why the Knights of Columbus members are exempt from this rule. I tell you, the first time I saw this I was extremely upset and even now I do not think that this practice is appropriate. So, I'm willing to listen with an open mind for the reason this is allowed. Anyone know?
There is no stricture against it at all. It is considered socially rude in the West for MOST people to wear hats inside ANY building (not just a church). There are, however, exceptions to these rules:

1) Women for whom their hat is clearly part of their outfit (and not just worn in addition to an outfit)
2) Clergy
3) Men carrying arms (rifle, sword, etc)

Because the KoC fit under the final category when they are carrying their swords, they not only CAN wear hats indoors, but by social convention SHOULD wear them indoors, even in church.

Try to calm yourself, it is not good for spiritual and physical well being to get upset over simple things like this.
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Old Nov 8, '11, 9:14 am
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It may have something to do with it being part of the uniform of a men's organization that is devoted to the Catholic Church. Priests and bishops also wear a headcovering at times during the Mass. I really don't know
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Military, firefighters or police acting as an honor guard also wear their hats, as part of their uniformed function, while in church. However, they remove them when not functioning, as when they sit in the pews. Knights of Columbus do the same--they remove the hats when the procession or function is over and they sit down.

I am a fourth degree Knight.
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It may have something to do with it being part of the uniform of a men's organization that is devoted to the Catholic Church. Priests and bishops also wear a headcovering at times during the Mass. I really don't know
I know traditional priests like the FSSP do wear "hats" at certain portions of the Mass. I guess its similar in the Byzantine Rite where headgear is worn until the end of the Cherubic Hymn (equivalent of offertory), then worn again after Communion.
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Military, firefighters or police acting as an honor guard also wear their hats, as part of their uniformed function, while in church. However, they remove them when not functioning, as when they sit in the pews. Knights of Columbus do the same--they remove the hats when the procession or function is over and they sit down.

I am a fourth degree Knight.
*ahem* Minor correction: In the military, we wear a cover (hat) ANY time we are under arms, particularly long arms... not just while performing a function. However, before being seated, we would set our arms down (appropriately stored), hence the removal of the covers at that point. Honor guards which do not carry arms do not need to wear covers.

It's not just function, it's the presence of arms that determines when the military wears a hat.
http://www.filamvetsociety.com/files...niformRegs.pdf
(table 2.8, note 1)

In other words, if you're going to remove your hat whilst seated, you should be removing your sword first as well.
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Old Nov 8, '11, 11:10 am
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Thanks for the answers folks, it seems hats in church is really no problem, especially for the "men under arms" point and the Knights certainly fit into that category. I was upset because it just did not seem right to me, as a man would ordinarily take his hat off while indoors, and more so for church. I got upset also when people disrespect our flag, but I guess that's just me. Well, I have been informed about this and all to the better.
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The Knights of Malta and the Knights of St. John.....will do battle with the Knights of Columbus ....and make them remove them!





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Old Nov 8, '11, 11:26 am
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The Knights of Malta and the Knights of St. John.....will do battle with the Knights of Columbus ....and make them remove them!





Now, now...
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The Knights of Malta and the Knights of St. John.....will do battle with the Knights of Columbus ....and make them remove them!





Not to pick nits, but the Knights of Malta ARE the Knights of St John. Different names for the same organization, whose full official title is The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, often shortened to Sovereign Military Order of Malta ("SMOM").

. . . and no disrepect to our emminent Knights of Columbus, but the Knights of Columbus are a fraternal order. SMOM is actually an ecclesial knighthood.

Finally, SMOM doesn't wear hats, just to bring it full circle to the OP.
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Not to pick nits, but the Knights of Malta ARE the Knights of St John. Different names for the same organization, whose full official title is The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, often shortened to Sovereign Military Order of Malta ("SMOM").

. . . and no disrepect to our emminent Knights of Columbus, but the Knights of Columbus are a fraternal order. SMOM is actually an ecclesial knighthood.

Finally, SMOM doesn't wear hats, just to bring it full circle to the OP.
Got to love the Knights for assisting in the restoration of the traditional liturgy in Scotland !

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Not to pick nits, but the Knights of Malta ARE the Knights of St John. Different names for the same organization, whose full official title is The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, often shortened to Sovereign Military Order of Malta ("SMOM").

. . . and no disrepect to our emminent Knights of Columbus, but the Knights of Columbus are a fraternal order. SMOM is actually an ecclesial knighthood.

Finally, SMOM doesn't wear hats, just to bring it full circle to the OP.
Seriously want to be a part of that!

Meh, I'd have to turn them down though, I've already sworn an oath of obedience to one nation, and that's all there's going to be. Le sigh.
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Seriously want to be a part of that!

Meh, I'd have to turn them down though, I've already sworn an oath of obedience to one nation, and that's all there's going to be. Le sigh.
I so wish there were a female equivalent group to all these knights.
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