Show about Gay Animals

[ConfusedTim]

I wa shaving a debate with a friend about homosexual marriage and she pointed out to me that even animals are gay and so it must be a natural thing so why does the church go against it (shes an atheist so I cannot refer to scripture).

II wondered if there was any evidence for this or is it another urban myth so i went home and checked up. It struck me that the evidence of homosexual behaviour in annimals is very slim. I went onto one site that listed "over 500 types of animals displaying homosexual tendencies" but there was no real evidence. I especially searched the web for evidence of homosexual behaviour in monkeys, apes etc and couldnt find any.

Would it be possible for someone a show to be done covering this issue? There must be some real experts out there who can de-bunk it.

[puzzleannie]

Originally Posted by ConfusedTim

I wa shaving a debate with a friend about homosexual marriage and she pointed out to me that even animals are gay and so it must be a natural thing so why does the church go against it (shes an atheist so I cannot refer to scripture).

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there is no such thing as a gay animal
gay is a word applied to a subculture among human homosexuals who adopt a certain lifestyle. Not all homosexuals use or welcome the appalation.

There are animals who attemp sexual mounting and other behaviors with animals of the same sex, but it is far from natural, and indicates a disorder in the animal, hormonal for instance, or more commonly a disorder in their living conditions--captivity, disrupted ratio between the sexes due to predators, loss of habitat etc.

There is no instance whatever of animals in their natural undisturbed state exhibiting these behaviors unless some disorder is present.

[ConfusedTim]

but there is a popular perception that there are "gay animals'. I had assumed this to be true but as i mentioned in my first post when i actually started to look at the evidence there didnt appear to be any/much?

[Hokomai]

Originally Posted by puzzleannie

there is no such thing as a gay animal
gay is a word applied to a subculture among human homosexuals who adopt a certain lifestyle. Not all homosexuals use or welcome the appalation.

There are animals who attemp sexual mounting and other behaviors with animals of the same sex, but it is far from natural, and indicates a disorder in the animal, hormonal for instance, or more commonly a disorder in their living conditions--captivity, disrupted ratio between the sexes due to predators, loss of habitat etc.

There is no instance whatever of animals in their natural undisturbed state exhibiting these behaviors unless some disorder is present.

I am reluctant to do a google search involving sex and animals (!) but I am sure you would have no difficulty finding plenty of evidence of sexual activity between animals of the same sex. Ever owned dogs? Watched a herd of cows? I am not sure what 'dosorder' means in this contest, but there i always 'disorder' in the sense of something that causes stress in nature: floods, food shortages, predatory animals, the going processes, injury etc. So if if only happens when 'disorder' is present, it must happen a lot!

[puzzleannie]

Originally Posted by Hokomai

I am reluctant to do a google search involving sex and animals (!) but I am sure you would have no difficulty finding plenty of evidence of sexual activity between animals of the same sex. Ever owned dogs? Watched a herd of cows? I am not sure what 'dosorder' means in this contest, but there i always 'disorder' in the sense of something that causes stress in nature: floods, food shortages, predatory animals, the going processes, injury etc. So if if only happens when 'disorder' is present, it must happen a lot!

yes I am surrounded by cows and young steers, before and after they become steers, if you know what I mean, exhibit at times--not naturally--attempts at mounting when they are overcrowded or after the "surgery". Cows do not mount other cows. Another stress in wild population is lack of females, but it is usually only young adolescent or "young adult" males who are unsuccessful in the fight for breeding partners that exhibit such behavior and then only for brief periods of time. It is not natural by definition because it does not support survival of the species. There are not animals who exhibit this inclination exclusively unless there is some disorder present in the individual, usually hormonal, almost always a pre-birth exposure to excessive female hormones.

My information comes by the way from zoo professionals who happen to be very liberal in their outlook on human behavior of this ilk, yet are unable to twist science and observation to support it.

[Catholicpotato]

There is also animal rape. And I do not believe animals have an age of consent. They breed when they are able to. Should we follow these moral guidelines as well?
This is what happens when we elevate creation above the Creator.

[Catholic90]

Animals are not gay. Animals may use mounting of each other to show dominance, but it has nothing to do with sexual attraction. They are simply establishing their rank.

[salusanimarum17]

Originally Posted by Hokomai

I am reluctant to do a google search involving sex and animals (!) but I am sure you would have no difficulty finding plenty of evidence of sexual activity between animals of the same sex. Ever owned dogs? Watched a herd of cows? ...

I'm not a dog or cow behavior expert but my understanding is that when male dogs (like the two dogs I have) engage in mounting, it is not "sexual activity" as much as it is a method/example of dominance. Cows--growing up on a dairy farm, that doesn't happen that much (although I would see it every now and then) but since cows are also quite hierarchical, I wonder how much of that is also dominance-related. Both cows and dogs tend to mimic and/or follow the herd so I also think there is that factor: do what they see others doing.

Besides, just because animals do something doesn't mean it is good or "natural" for human beings to imitate them.

[catholicgamer]

Hmmmm...I wonder if the case for inter-species sex can be made because dogs hump human legs. I'm almost positive there are some out there who would make the case.

[Fragile]

Originally Posted by catholicgamer

Hmmmm...I wonder if the case for inter-species sex can be made because dogs hump human legs. I'm almost positive there are some out there who would make the case.

You people are wack!

[Soldier Of God]

My pet sun conure is gay. He is a very happy animal!

[Luvtosew]

a male dog in heat will hump a human leg and or a pillow.

Thats why they are called animals, but another male dog would fight to keep that in heat male dog away from him.

[catholicgamer]

Originally Posted by Luvtosew

a male dog in heat will hump a human leg and or a pillow.

Thats why they are called animals, but another male dog would fight to keep that in heat male dog away from him.

Pillows to?? Oh boy...don't let that get out because then nothing will be safe.

...ahem...thank you, I'll be here 'till Thursday.

Yup....I'm in "a mood" today.

[Garyjohn2]

I hate this perception. I love animals, and I love learning just about all I can about them.

There is no such thing as a gay animal. Many, many animals form pair bonds and travel, hunt, and live together with a companion of the same sex...but they do not bugger. I don't know if that is crass or not, but its a fact. Animals do not have gay sex. Ever. They form pair bonds that are much more akin to what we would call "friendship." They are friends.

It is perverted and wrong to sexualize these relationships.

[MelanieDN]

I had rabbits (in cages, so not 'natural'). Males would hump males, females would hump males, males would hump the tom cat, and males would hump the female's head. Not at all homosexual, but their hormones were driving them to hump anything.