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Simple enough. Can one be a Marxist (Political left: social democrat, socialist, communist, etc.) AND a faithful Catholic who believes in every article of the Faith? Are there any points of conflict? Does the same apply for any other ideology?
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Simple enough. Can one be a Marxist (Political left: social democrat, socialist, communist, etc.) AND a faithful Catholic who believes in every article of the Faith? Are there any points of conflict? Does the same apply for any other ideology?
Read QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS
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Simple enough. Can one be a Marxist (Political left: social democrat, socialist, communist, etc.) AND a faithful Catholic who believes in every article of the Faith? Are there any points of conflict? Does the same apply for any other ideology?
Catholicism and Communism are incompatible.
You cannot be a Catholic and a Communist.
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You can be a Catholic Communist but it is contradictory to be a Catholic Marxist. Marxism is based on atheism, because it believes that religion is a by-product of Capitalism to keep the poor unaware of their suffering.

You can certainly be on the political left and be a Catholic. Anyone who says you have to be on the political Right to be a Catholic are lying to you. The Church is not a political institution.
This is incorrect. Communism is also contradictory.

From QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS:

"You understand, venerable brethren, that We speak of that sect of men who, under various and almost barbarous names, are called socialists, communists, or nihilists, and who, spread over all the world, and bound together by the closest ties in a wicked confederacy, no longer seek the shelter of secret meetings, but, openly and boldly marching forth in the light of day, strive to bring to a head what they have long been planning - the overthrow of all civil society whatsoever." (Emphasis added)
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You can be a Catholic Communist but it is contradictory to be a Catholic Marxist. Marxism is based on atheism, because it believes that religion is a by-product of Capitalism to keep the poor unaware of their suffering.

You can certainly be on the political left and be a Catholic. Anyone who says you have to be on the political Right to be a Catholic are lying to you. The Church is not a political institution.

Mis information. The left today stands for pro choice abortion on demand, homosexuality, and of course coveting thy neighbors wealth.

Add it up its not compatible with Catholicism.
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No. Incompatible.

Tons of stuff to read.

Look up: "Divini Redemptoris" Encyclical Letter of Pius XI. Atheistic Communism.

Read also "The Black Book of Communism" ... check it out on Amazon.

"The Philosophy of Communism" by McFadden. Visit the Cardinal Mindszenty Foundatiion web site and see if they can get you a copy.

[You can spend your whole life beating yourself to death over the difference between Marxism and Communism. In reality, no difference.]
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According to two very recent statements coming out of the Vatican (the first calling for a global financial oversite agency, the second--in the Pope's remarks a few days ago--calling for wealth redistribution).

Wealth Redistribution

Global financial agency

Both of these statements orgininated in the Justice and Peace Office (or bureau, or whatever it is). None the less: this is from the Vatican.

I keep telling myself that Pope Benedict is old, and these things are being said without his knowledge, or that he has incomplete knowledge of what's being said in the name of the Roman Catholic Church.

Our last Pope understood Communism very well.
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This is incorrect. Communism is also contradictory.

From QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS:

"You understand, venerable brethren, that We speak of that sect of men who, under various and almost barbarous names, are called socialists, communists, or nihilists, and who, spread over all the world, and bound together by the closest ties in a wicked confederacy, no longer seek the shelter of secret meetings, but, openly and boldly marching forth in the light of day, strive to bring to a head what they have long been planning - the overthrow of all civil society whatsoever." (Emphasis added)
A nihilist and a socialist are two different animals. I am a socialist, I am also firmly opposed to abortion and disagree with homosexual marriage. I do believe in the state's duty to care for all it's members and to serve it's people to the utmost of it's ability. Although that also entails a responsibilit on individuals to behave in a mature fashion with regards to preserving the best elements of the society the currently live in which seeking to reform or remove the worst elements. I do not seek 'an overthrow of all civil society' since whatever the faults of Britain and Ireland (the two societies I have lived in the most) they are not draconian tyrannies and armed revolution would not be a fitting response to the issues facing them.

Although I would not always rule out overthrowing the state, and indeed since like Americans I come from a country founded via a revolution we should be wary of arguing that always overthrowing the existing regime is intrinsically evil.
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