Catholics VS Health Care in America: Morally Embarrassing - Page 19

**tonyrey** · #**271** Jan 26, '12, 3:53 pm

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Originally Posted by bearer

It's not an excuse, just a statement of fact. People have died since man fell from grace. That's part of life. We are to preserve life as much as we can, but there are no guarantees other than what God bestows upon us.

"as much as we can" are the key words...

**tonyrey** · #**272** Jan 26, '12, 3:55 pm

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Originally Posted by MindOverMatter2

But you are willing to let people suffer and die for want of a better health system they cannot afford.

Irrefutable!

Swiss Guy · #**273** Jan 26, '12, 4:00 pm

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Originally Posted by MindOverMatter2

Why would any Catholic be Against Free Health Care?

Am i the only Catholic that finds this idea Morally Embarrassing?

Well, I am for it being free, even if that means people paying higher taxes for everyone to be able to receive it with. This is a big problem imho. But, even more important than this (which helps protect life) is the right to actually live. If only the Democratic party could change their views on social issues.

JackQ · #**274** Jan 26, '12, 4:02 pm

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Well, I am for it being free, even if that means people paying higher taxes for everyone to be able to receive it with. This is a big problem imho. But, even more important than this (which helps protect life) is the right to actually live. If only the Democratic party could change their views on social issues.

It's time for a Catholic political party.

**tonyrey** · #**275** Jan 26, '12, 4:07 pm

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Originally Posted by bearer

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Christ preached that people are entitled to our charity. I think that's where your missing the boat here.

No, He didn't.

What about the corporal and spiritual works of mercy?

bearer · #**276** Jan 26, '12, 4:08 pm

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Originally Posted by JackQ

"Give to him that asketh of thee and from him that would borrow of thee turn not away."

--Matthew 5:42

Jesus was speaking to His disciples, not Caesar.

bearer · #**277** Jan 26, '12, 4:10 pm

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Originally Posted by tonyrey

Another argumentum ad hominem!

It remains true that it is easy to make excuses for not helping others...

Are you reading this thread? I'm not making excuses for not helping others. I'm saying that WE must help others, not punt medicine to the federal government to mismanage.

Charity begins in the individual's heart, not in the seat of government.

bearer · #**278** Jan 26, '12, 4:11 pm

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Originally Posted by tonyrey

What about the corporal and spiritual works of mercy?

Again, to be performed by the faithful, not bureaucrats.

**tonyrey** · #**279** Jan 26, '12, 4:23 pm

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Originally Posted by bearer

Again, to be performed by the faithful, not bureaucrats.

By everyone!

MindOverMatter2 · #**280** Jan 26, '12, 4:27 pm

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That is the most pathetic excuse I have ever read on this forum!

Priceless!

**tonyrey** · #**281** Jan 26, '12, 4:28 pm

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Originally Posted by bearer

Are you reading this thread?

An irrelevant and discourteous question contrary to the Forum rules.

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I'm not making excuses for not helping others. I'm saying that WE must help others, not punt medicine to the federal government to mismanage.

You are assuming there will be sufficient mismanagement to justify not giving help to those who cannot afford it.

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Charity begins in the individual's heart, not in the seat of government.

Charity should not end in the individual's heart. The government is responsible because it represents individuals.

**tonyrey** · #**282** Jan 26, '12, 4:31 pm

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Originally Posted by bearer

Jesus was speaking to His disciples, not Caesar.

Aren't you one of his disciples? Do you have no say in who constitutes the government?

bearer · #**283** Jan 26, '12, 4:35 pm

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Originally Posted by tonyrey

By everyone!

Some people, including many in Washington, simply reject the Will of God. Remember that Christ typically addressed the faithful with His Commandments, realizing that the faithless do not heed His Word.

**tonyrey** · #**284** Jan 26, '12, 4:35 pm

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Originally Posted by dmelosi

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In any society which does not help its poorest members.

Specifically where?

Anywhere whatsoever!

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And what do you mean help its poorest members?

Follow Christ's teaching with works of mercy.

bearer · #**285** Jan 26, '12, 4:38 pm

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An irrelevant and discourteous question contrary to the Forum rules.

You are assuming there will be sufficient mismanagement to justify not giving help to those who cannot afford it.
Charity should not end in the individual's heart. The government is responsible because it represents individuals.

OK, it's becoming clear that you are a public healthcare fanatic. I hope your zeal for Christ and His Church is greater to that of socialized medicine.

God bless you!