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Old Jan 26, '12, 4:02 pm
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Default How long do souls stay in Purtagory for?

Is it until Judgement Day?
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According to Judaism, no more than 11 months, except for the truly incorrigibles, who need the full year. There is no atonement process on the Sabbath, however. In Catholicism, I'm not sure there's a specific time limit; it all depends on how much cleansing one needs.
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We can't really know. It probably happens outside of time anyway. It's a mystery. Some things are for God alone to know.
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We can't really know. It probably happens outside of time anyway. It's a mystery. Some things are for God alone to know.
This...

The question of "how long" becomes incomprehensible the moment we begin to discuss anything not dogmatically revealed outside of the physical experience within THIS universe (which is the only place we empirically KNOW that time as a dimension exists)
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Is it until Judgement Day?
Only God knows.
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Old Jan 26, '12, 4:41 pm
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Purgatory will only exist until the final judgement. After a soul is judged during the final judgement, all just souls will go to Heaven, while all others will be sent to hell. Purgatory will no longer exist after the final judgement.

Scripture says that nothing unclean can enter heaven.

"There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb." (Revelation 21:27)


Now how long will a soul stay in Purgatory? Well, if a soul is in Purgatory, it is eventually going to make it to Heaven. The length of a souls stay in Purgatory depends on how much "cleansing" it needs. To enter Heaven, we must be clean, and Purgatory is what purifies the soul and prepares it to enter Heaven. Again, it depends on how much "purification" one needs.
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Old Jan 26, '12, 5:29 pm
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Is it until Judgement Day?
Some will be there until the end.

But really, the answer is, "until they're purified." I heard a talk on EWTN years ago and a woman said the root word in Purgatory is the same word for refining metal, sorta like smelting. It's a process of driving out impurities. She said a silversmith was once showing her the process and she asked him how he knew he was done. His answer: when you can see a reflection. This speaker (can't remember who!) said she thinks of Purgatory as driving out our impurities until we're a reflection of Christ. Works for me.

Anyway, you can hasten the release of the Souls in Purgatory by praying for them. Maybe one of your prayers would be the magic one that gets a Soul released...how'd you like to have a Saint on your debt?
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Remember that praying for and having Masses said for the dead helps much! They cannot pray for themselves while they are there, and depend on us.
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It seems that time runs differently in Purgatory. Even if someone passed on a few weeks ago, it feels like years. Check out Hungry Souls by Gerard van den Aardweg.
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There is no time in Purgatory, however, I understand what you are asking.

A soul stays in purgatory for as long as need be. Until he is cleansed.
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There is no time in Purgatory
A soul stays in purgatory for as long as need be.
Until he is cleansed.
Not to be provocative, but can you clarify the contradiction you've stated? You said there's no time then stated "as long" and "until", words that denote a measure of change/time.



Can anyone present de Fide material that states purgatory is outside of time?
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Can anyone present de Fide material that states purgatory is outside of time?
Purgatory is not a physical place, so it does not have time as we conceive it currently within THIS temporal universe.

HOWEVER, purgatory is a process, and it only exists until the final judgement, so we can conclude that there is SOME sort of "time" there, in that there is progression of being, but this time is non-sensical to us because we lack any sort of faculty to observe it.

In other words, it is not contradictory to state that there is no time in purgatory (at least, not as we understand time), and yet to state that a soul spends a certain duration in purgation until it is pure and enters heaven.

For all we know, it is timeless in the sense that God is timeless and yet still has progression relative to Earth's understanding...
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How long?? It's a question that Catholics cannot answer. Purgatory is not based in biblical explicit terms but yet its in tradition. Those two ingredients make purgatory puzzling for many Catholics.
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As others have said, we can't really say how long a soul will stay in Purgatory however we can say that a soul will be in a state of purgation for as long as it needs to be in order to be cleansed to the point of perfection so it can enter Heaven. That said, I would be willing to stay in Purgatory for a very very long time if it meant that I would go to Heaven. I would rather be in Purgatory for 5,000 years than in Hell for 1 minute. And yes, I know that the eternal realm is outside of what we know as time but I am using measures of time to make a point.
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Purgatory is not a physical place, so it does not have time as we conceive it currently within THIS temporal universe.

HOWEVER, purgatory is a process, and it only exists until the final judgement, so we can conclude that there is SOME sort of "time" there, in that there is progression of being, but this time is non-sensical to us because we lack any sort of faculty to observe it.

In other words, it is not contradictory to state that there is no time in purgatory (at least, not as we understand time), and yet to state that a soul spends a certain duration in purgation until it is pure and enters heaven.

For all we know, it is timeless in the sense that God is timeless and yet still has progression relative to Earth's understanding...
I like the way you think.

I was about to ask, "If Purgatory dissolves at the Last Judgment, how is it just to those who died right before and had a lot of time they needed to spend in cleansing?" But when you explain time in that manner, in a sense saying "It doesn't make sense," then I guess it makes more sense.

Consequently, having the mindset that souls spend a definite amount of Earth-time in Purgatory, and then believing that everyone in Purgatory goes to Heaven at the Last Judgment, seems a bit contradictory--at least, considering the Church's teaching that every soul needs to go through a certain amount of cleansing for their sin.
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