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Old Jul 7, '05, 10:52 pm
Reformed Rob Reformed Rob is offline
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Default Does Benedict XVI believe in.. The Papacy???

Whew, what a conversation I had with a friend that I'm not so cool with now!!

I guess this is the wrong place to ask this question. I will probably only get "yes he does" type answers. But anyways...

This guy told me that "Benedict XVI doesn't even believe in the Papacy."

Where would he get that?? How do you prove such a statement wrong??

Like, does he have "different" views about the nature of the Papacy? I don't know, so I ask.

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Old Jul 7, '05, 11:11 pm
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I have no idea. The comment he made seems to make little sense. If Benedict did not believe in the Papacy why would he be the pope. Sorry I couldn't help.

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Old Jul 7, '05, 11:14 pm
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tell your friend to go to this site

www.vatican.va

he believes!
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Old Jul 7, '05, 11:23 pm
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tell your friend to go to this site

www.vatican.va

he believes!
Where there exactly would you direct a person?

I see he's dressed up like a Pope, but that doesn't mean he believes in the Papacy.

I don't think the comment was meant to be like "He doesn't really think he's the Pope, because he doesn't believe in the Papacy. He's just pretending."

There's more to it than that, I assure you. I just don't know what. I wasn't wanting to prolong that particular conversation.

Though I do see that in a Motu Proprio, He approved the Compendium for the CCC. I'll have to keep my eyes out for that!
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Old Jul 8, '05, 12:16 am
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after going to the home page at www.vatican.va

-click on the Papal seal, that is to the left of his picture, where it says benedictvs xvi, see that?
-click on it and then click on homilies on the list
-and then go to 2005 and click on that
-and then scroll down to April 24th, 2005 and click on the english one, (since you are typing in english here), if you understand one of the other languages feel free, however, after clicking on that you will see his homily that he gave and in which he says, in about his second sentence of it:
Tu illum adiuva sustain the new Successor of Saint Peter. now, why would he call himself that, if he didn't believe he was?? Your so called friend sounds like he needs to accept the fact that he is the Pope and that he does believe it.

Personally, I thank God that he is.
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Old Jul 8, '05, 12:31 am
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This guy told me that "Benedict XVI doesn't even believe in the Papacy."

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Old Jul 8, '05, 12:37 am
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This guy told me that "Benedict XVI doesn't even believe in the Papacy."
And I thought I'd heard it all, silly me

The utter absurdity of that statement...wow...it amazes me how someone could honestly believe that.
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Old Jul 8, '05, 1:08 am
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How does one go about proving a negative that is abstract.

Can anybody prove B16's belief without his saying so. If he has what's the proof?
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Old Jul 8, '05, 1:53 am
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I guess this is the wrong place to ask this question. I will probably only get "yes he does" type answers. But anyways...

This guy told me that "Benedict XVI doesn't even believe in the Papacy."
Wrong place? What you want a no answer? You will "probably" only get "yes he does" type answers. Because "yes he does" type answers are the only true answers. As too how to prove its not true, thats easy you will find no document, letter, audio recording, or tv show where Benedict XVI said he didnt believe in The Papacy.

If anyone should prove anything it is your friend. After all he is the one that said it, he should have to be the one to prove Benedict XVI said he doesnt believe in The Papacy. I really really really truly doubt your friend can prove anything close to the truth that Benedict XVI said he doesnt believe in The Papacy. I believe your friend misinformed you or you friend has been misinformed.

We should not have to prove Benedict XVI believes in The Papacy, but come on the fact that Benedict XVI is Pope Benedict XVI should be enuff prove. Being Pope is The Papacy!
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I don't believe in life on earth.
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Old Jul 8, '05, 4:48 am
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I don't believe in life on earth.
Now that's a negative that's not abstract. If you can find life on earth you can prove that statement false. Er! I think thererfore I ...
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Old Jul 8, '05, 4:55 am
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I know that I don't know what I know
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Old Jul 8, '05, 5:38 am
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I know that I don't know what I know
eh?? Please God no more positve negatives that are positive/negative.
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Old Jul 8, '05, 8:00 am
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Yes, he believes in the papacy!

"We shall break off at this point, for the chief goal of our considerations has been attained. We have seen that the New Testament as a whole strikingly demonstrates the primacy of Peter; we have seen that the formative development of tradition and of the Church supposed the continuation of Peter's authority in Rome as an intrinsic condition. The Roman primacy is not an invention of the popes, but an essential element of ecclesial unity that goes back to the Lord and was developed faithfully in the nascent Church." (Benedict XVI, Called to Communion, "The Primacy of Peter and Unity of the Church")

"In choosing me as Bishop of Rome, the Lord wanted me to be his Vicar, he wanted me to be the "rock" on which we can all safely stand. I ask him to compensate for my limitations so that I may be a courageous and faithful Pastor of his flock, ever docile to the promptings of his Spirit." (Benedict XVI, First Message at the End of the Eucharistic Concelebration with the Members of the College of Cardinals)
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Old Jul 9, '05, 1:07 pm
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after going to the home page at www.vatican.va
Your so called friend sounds like he needs to accept the fact that he is the Pope and that he does believe it.

Personally, I thank God that he is.
Yeah, thanks.

I should keep up with his homilies from week to week.

Hmmm, I read the one from May 7 also, plenty of good "I'm the Pope, the Pope ought to..." statements.

Here's one.

The Chair of Peter obliges all who hold it to say, as Peter said during a crisis time among the disciples when so many wanted to leave him: "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe; we are convinced that you are God's holy one" (Jn 6: 68 ff.).
The One who sits on the Chair of Peter must remember the Lord's words to Simon Peter at the Last Supper: "...You in turn must strengthen your brothers" (Lk 22: 32). The one who holds the office of the Petrine ministry must be aware that he is a frail and weak human being - just as his own powers are frail and weak - and is constantly in need of purification and conversion.


And another.

This power of teaching frightens many people in and outside the Church. They wonder whether freedom of conscience is threatened or whether it is a presumption opposed to freedom of thought. It is not like this. The power that Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors is, in an absolute sense, a mandate to serve. The power of teaching in the Church involves a commitment to the service of obedience to the faith. The Pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary: the Pope's ministry is a guarantee of obedience to Christ and to his Word. He must not proclaim his own ideas, but rather constantly bind himself and the Church to obedience to God's Word, in the face of every attempt to adapt it or water it down, and every form of opportunism.

Yeah, my friend has some explaining to do!

Thank-Rob
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