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Old Feb 21, '12, 4:04 am
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Thank you particularly for the KLo article "Where are the Women." One of my friends posted on my FB page about objecting to "no women on the panel discussing women's healthcare" I cut and pasted your link and I am curious if she will respond! Appreciate how you are keeping us all posted on developments in this issue.

The Dems are praying some wag the dog event happens to get this off the nightly news..
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Democrats are hoping this will go away... that is not going to happen. There will be no compromise, no accommodation, religious liberty for all! Until Democrats get that - this issue will not go away.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 4:27 am
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Turner Lays Out the Case Against Obamacare



http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/20/...nst-obamacare/

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Jewish Community Should Join Catholics Against the Mandate

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/20/j...t-the-mandate/

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2,500 religious leaders, every U.S. bishop oppose Obama mandate

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/250...-obama-mandate
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Old Feb 21, '12, 7:37 am
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RUSH: The liberal is a liberal first, and he's a Catholic second.
Not much of a fan of Rush, but if this report is true, the guy walked out of Mass over the debate? No better way to give credence to the above statement.

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CALLER: Well, mandatory contraception fits into the environmental religion and --

RUSH: I know. It fits the bill. It completes the circle that man's the problem, that humanity is the biggest problem the planet has. And, of course, the overpopulation crowd is still alive and well in the Democrat Party and that's part and parcel of this as well. Appreciate the call, Karen.
I’ve posted these same thoughts and it is entirely Anti-Christ. The Lord is the Creator and Giver of Life. The radical environmentalists would rather not see so much trash be deposited in the dumps, (made by too many people, you know) so let’s kill life in the womb or simply prevent it from happening to solve the problem.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 8:09 am
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Catholics are not stupid, they have just been hijacked...temporarily


As a faithful, devout, solidly pro-life Catholic, I am here to assure you that Catholics are not imbeciles. Sadly, what they are is divided, and we do not need Abraham Lincoln to tell us what happens to divided houses. As of this writing, Catholics seem clearly divided into three groups.

"I Shall Not Serve"

The first group can best be described as the rebels with a very sinister cause. That cause is to arrogantly, defiantly, selfishly, and very insolently drag and reshape the Church into the kind of institution which fits their radically liberal and subjective buffet morality.

Clueless Cafeteria Catholicism

An online Catholic TV show dubbed the Catholic Investigative Agency (CIA) run by Catholic media personality Michael Voris has exposed a shocking network of leftist radical organizations; powerful financial figures; and disloyal, rebellious clerics and lay people embarked upon an effort to remove the Catholic Church as the primary opponent to their political and social agenda.

First, they have sanitized their intentions under euphemistic facades such as "reproductive choice" and concepts twisted from their original meaning such as "the common good" and "social justice." Second, they have used money, pride, and power to buy Catholic higher institutions so as to indoctrinate young minds in their philosophy of self over God.

A common ploy used by these folks is to create ten organizations all seemingly separate yet like-minded voices in support of more liberal Catholic positions to create the illusion of wide-scale representation. More often than not, they are blatantly contradictory and biased propaganda machines for the left.

The best representation of the American Catholic leadership's role in disconnecting true Catholic teaching and identity from responsible Catholic voting may be found in three unholy events which may be termed the unholy trinity of cafeteria Catholicism.


The Faithful Remnant

This third and final segment of the presently divided American Catholic population remains loyal to true Catholic teaching, and represents the only legitimate voice representing that teaching.

This third Catholic segment fully embraces the sanctity of life and marriage and refuses to compromise on those issues. It is inspired by the belief that Jesus Christ Himself will guide its efforts to ultimate success.

There are those who believe that the Catholic Church is fast approaching a schism or apostasy whereby the first and much of the second segment of the Catholic population will leave the Catholic Church, leaving those remaining alone to fight for and defend true Catholic teaching. If such is the case, and given the present confusion and harm to Catholicism being caused by dissident viewpoints and the confusion they cause, such a schism may well be a blessing of addition by subtraction.

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Old Feb 21, '12, 8:36 am
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The Catholic bishops remain deeply critical of HHS’s contraceptive-coverage mandate, even with the new accommodations for religiously affiliated employers. This unrelenting opposition is puzzling to many, including many Catholics who opposed the original policy. After all, wasn’t the initial outcry fueled primarily by the overly narrow exemption for religious organizations? And doesn’t the new proposal address that concern? Maybe the skeptics were right that the moral outrage was simply a veneer for political opportunism.

But maybe not. Maybe puzzlement at the bishops’ recalcitrance reflects not the insincerity of their motives, but popular misunderstanding of their concerns. Their worry was never primarily about religious organizations, but about the protection of individual consciences against the coercive power of the state.

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But why are conscience rights so important? And why should they outweigh the interests in public health (for those who consider contraception and abortion to be health care) and women’s equality that free access to contraceptive services purportedly forwards?

Conscience rights go to the core of what is to be a human person: the capacity to act based not only on desires or instincts, but on judgments about what is good and bad, right and wrong — and the moral responsibility that is inseparable from that capacity. To force a person to act contrary to conscience is to force him to violate his moral integrity. It is an assault on the person at his core, much worse than any merely physical harm.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...issa-moschella

I sure hope she's right. But while this makes sense to me, I can't remember ever hearing this from any Catholic teaching in school or Church. I can't imagine how you would square it with much of what the USCCB has advocated from public policy previously.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 9:41 am
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Clergy Declare State of Emergency for Churches Over Obama Demands

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The National Clergy Council, representing church leaders of Catholic, Evangelical, Orthodox, and Protestant church traditions, has declared a State of Emergency for the Churches in response to the order by President Barack Obama for religious organizations to compromise their religious and moral beliefs by complying with a mandate to provide employees with certain forms of insurance coverage.
http://www.christiannewswire.com/ind...eleaseID=18999

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Ave Maria University launches lawsuit against HHS mandate with The Beckfet Fund

http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content...AL-2-20-12.pdf

President of Ave Maria University explains motivation for filing against HHS mandate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADW-rELIUOM

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Bush admin's Jim Towy is filing lawsuit against HHS mandate with The Becket Fund

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Government Must Protect, Not Trample, Religious Liberties

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/21/g...ous-liberties/
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Old Feb 21, '12, 1:56 pm
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Rasmussen’s reminder: Majority still favors ObamaCare repeal
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Perhaps Rasmussen’s latest poll on ObamaCare will serve as a reminder to the Republican presidential hopefuls that this will be a very productive line of attack in the general election. Given that the HHS mandate springs directly from ObamaCare, it also serves as a guideline on how to handle that issue as well:
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Despite the controversy over the Obama administration’s requirement that Catholic institutions provide free contraceptive coverage for employees, voters’ opinions on the health care law behind that requirement remain steady. Just over half of voters still want the law repealed.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows 53% at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, while 38% oppose repeal. These figures include 41% who Strongly Favor repeal and 28% who are Strongly Opposed.

These findings are little changed from two weeks ago. Even before its passage by Congress in March 2010, most voters opposed the health care law, and they’ve continued to do so in regular tracking since then. Support for repeal has ranged from a low of 47% to a high of 62%. Opposition to repeal has ranged from 32% to 44%.
The support for a repeal is pretty broadly based. Men favor it by a wide margin (62/34, strong positions 51/28), while women are more split on both the overall figure (46/42) and in strength of commitment (33/29 in strong positions). Every age demo has a plurality or majority in favor of repeal except thirtysomethings, where repeal only gets a 41/52 rating. Repeal wins in every income demo, too, even among those earning under $20K, 47/42. Independents support repeal by about the same percentage as the overall population of likely voters (52/38).

The religious demos are also strongly in favor of repeal, none more so than evangelicals (75/18), where almost two-thirds (64%) strongly support repeal. Protestants and Catholics have nearly the same results at 53/41 and 55/35 respectively, with Protestants slightly more strongly supportive of repeal, 43% to 40%. The numbers are split among those who rarely or occasionally attend religious service, but for those going at least once a week or more, more than two-thirds support repeal.

If Republicans — including Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum — can emphasize the issue of the HHS mandate as a predictable exercise of dictatorial power from the ObamaCare bill and pull attention away from the specifics of the mandate, they can both broaden the outrage over the mandate and leverage the political opposition to ObamaCare. They will have to be more skilled in making that argument, as the debate over the mandate has not impacted these results in the last two weeks, as Rasmussen notes. The first Republican to force the media to address the issue of unbridled power over the private sector and the impact that has on personal choices and issues of religious conscience could capture some lightning in a bottle.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/2...macare-repeal/
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Turner Lays Out the Case Against Obamacare



http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/20/...nst-obamacare/

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It takes a huge bureaucracy to control our lives from cradle to grave, obviously. I mean, those of us who even make it to the cradle.
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Old Feb 22, '12, 10:29 am
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Poll: Americans Oppose Obama Birth Control Coverage Mandate

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A new national poll Rasmussen Reports conducted finds Americans oppose the Obama administration mandate requiring religious employers to pay for coverage for birth control (which also includes drugs that may cause early abortions).
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/22/p...erage-mandate/

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Planned Parenthood Will Get Richer Thanks to Obamacare

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/21/p...-to-obamacare/

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Priest Gives Obama's Mandate "The Finger (?)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vIBN7OCRWw

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Stalking the mythical ‘Catholic vote,’ yet again

http://www.getreligion.org/2012/02/s...ote-yet-again/
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Old Feb 22, '12, 10:35 am
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70,000 Americans Tell Obama to Overturn the HHS Mandate

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The White House has indicated Obama administration officials will meet with religious employers over the controversial mandate that requires them to pay for birth control and drugs that may cause abortions for their employees. Meanwhile, 70,000 Americans have signaled they want the mandate revered.

As The Hill reports:
A White House official said the administration will begin meeting “in the coming days” with religious organizations and insurers to try to hammer out policies “that respect religious liberty and ensure access to preventive services for women enrolled in self-insured group health plans sponsored by religious organizations.”
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius also emphasized last week that the administration is looking for a solution that will not require religious institutions to pay for contraception.
The White House gave itself a year to figure out how to deal with self-insured plans, meaning it won’t have to wade into the issue before the presidential election.
Jane Bedford, chancellor of the Washington Archdiocese told The Hill that Catholics and other religious employers are adamant that the mandate be dropped.

“This is really unprecedented, to have the government mandate something that would force us to violate our religious beliefs or else suffer a penalty,” Bedford said. “As long as that language stands, this mandate infringes on our religious liberty.”

Jay Sekulow, of the ACLJ, a pro-life legal firm, agrees.

“There are now reports that Obama Administration officials will begin meeting “in the coming days” with religious organizations and insurers to try to hammer out policies “that respect religious liberty,’” he said. “There’s a simple way to do that, if the Obama Administration is serious. As we have said from the very start, eliminate the mandate and all language that requires people of faith to violate their deeply help religious beliefs.”

“The opposition isn’t going away. The public outcry isn’t going to stop. Mr. President and Secretary Sebelius, are you listening?”

Sekulow said opposition to the mandate and compromise put in place by the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) continues to grow as pressure continues to be applied to HHS Secretary Sebelius.

“We have sent a detailed legal analysis to Secretary Sebelius on behalf of nearly 70,000 Americans - urging the Secretary to reverse the troubling regulations put in place – measures that violate religious liberty and the conscience rights of millions of Americans,” he said. “We’ve been reporting in detail on the problems with the HHS regulations. The mandate requires religious institutions, such as religious schools and hospitals, to include abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization, and contraception in their insurance policies for employees. A so-called “accommodation” was then issued after a tremendous public outcry occurred opposing the mandate.”

“The fact is that these regulations are not about health care. They represent a dangerous power play by the federal government. It’s the ultimate in government intrusion, representing a significant threat to religious organizations,” he said. “Our legal analysis is clear: this is not only bad policy, it is unconstitutional as well.”
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/22/7...e-hhs-mandate/

I guess Obama admin has realized this is not going away...
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Cardinal Dolan Backs Respect for Rights of Conscience Act: Contact Your Legislator Now

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...#ixzz1n9GWsF8G

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Morning Bell: Religious Liberty Under Attack

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/22/...-under-attack/

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Time: Catholic Bishops Should Go to Jail If They Want to Protest Obamacare Mandates

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-gra...#ixzz1n9IGwO5c

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EWTN CEO and Register Publisher Writes Op-Ed on 'Unconstitutional' HHS Mandate

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...al-hhs-mandat/

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Thank you President Obama for making Catholics more Catholic

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26987

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RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AND “RELIGIOUS LIBERTY”

http://www.catholicleague.org/religi...erty%E2%80%9D/

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Student Group at The Catholic University of America Opposes HHS Mandate

http://www.christiannewswire.com/ind...eleaseID=19017

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Rep. Pelosi: Catholic Church 'Has Not Enforced' Contraception Ban

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-...traception-ban
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Time: Catholic Bishops Should Go to Jail If They Want to Protest Obamacare Mandates
I am so looking forward to seeing HHS police frog-marching clergy into jail cells like common criminals.

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Everyone should be reading/viewing everything that Abyssinia posts here but I just wanted to give a shoutout to this one in particular: it is awesome!

USCCB should make this guy a spokesman.
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Everyone should be reading/viewing everything that Abyssinia posts here but I just wanted to give a shoutout to this one in particular: it is awesome!

USCCB should make this guy a spokesman.


Brilliant!
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Cardinal Dolan Backs Respect for Rights of Conscience Act: Contact Your Legislator Now

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...#ixzz1n9GWsF8G

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Morning Bell: Religious Liberty Under Attack

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/22/...-under-attack/

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Time: Catholic Bishops Should Go to Jail If They Want to Protest Obamacare Mandates

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-gra...#ixzz1n9IGwO5c

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EWTN CEO and Register Publisher Writes Op-Ed on 'Unconstitutional' HHS Mandate

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...al-hhs-mandat/

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Thank you President Obama for making Catholics more Catholic

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26987

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RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AND “RELIGIOUS LIBERTY”

http://www.catholicleague.org/religi...erty%E2%80%9D/

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Student Group at The Catholic University of America Opposes HHS Mandate

http://www.christiannewswire.com/ind...eleaseID=19017

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Rep. Pelosi: Catholic Church 'Has Not Enforced' Contraception Ban

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-...traception-ban
BHAHAHA leave it to Pelosi to suggest priests should be checking parishioners' medicine cabinets for ABC! She is such an embarrassment.

BTW my Senator, a Dem of course, spouted off about a small loud group preventing women from getting healthcare! I was so furious I sat down and wrote...WROTE not an email..a two page letter 'splaining to poor old Jeffy that he simply didn't have a grasp of the real issue. Sent copies to the other Senator, a couple of talk show hosts and our Archbishop. Wonder if I will hear back?

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