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Old Apr 26, '12, 2:28 pm
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In this morning’s Congressional House hearing, Sebelius admits she did not consult Supreme Court decisions on religious liberty or have a legal memo prepared before she drafted the mandate. The mandate, unprecedented in American history, forces religious institutions to pay for contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortion-causing drugs, including the morning-after pill and the week-after pill, against their deeply held religious beliefs. The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty is the first and leading law firm to challenge this mandate–filing in four states and three circuits across the country.
http://www.becketfund.org/hhs-secret...g-hhs-mandate/
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Old Apr 26, '12, 2:33 pm
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Well, the linked article didn't seem to talk about Georgetown. And I haven't found anything about the email. Do you have a source for it?

It got me thinking. Given such an email, I'm sure Ms. Fluke (soon to be Mrs. Mutterperl? wait, that is probably too old fashioned, perhaps Mrs. Fluke-Mutterperl) isn't too thrilled at response by her university.

Interestingly, here's a link about a talk she gave to students.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/sa...ut-reality-not

One tidbit (from the article) that I find frustrating:
I’m having a hard time accepting the idea that the Church is denying reproductive freedom and women’s rights.
She clearly doesn't understand Church teaching if she's making such a statement.

I hope and pray that someone responds to the lies and misrepresentations that this silly young woman persists in making. The media is clearly ignoring the blatant and persistent baloney that the Left is using to demean the Church.

That I fear my tax dollars are supporting her continued education distresses me to no end. What an incredible waste.

Lisa
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Old Apr 26, '12, 2:56 pm
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That video of Secretary Sebelius responding to questions is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
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Old Apr 26, '12, 3:02 pm
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That video of Secretary Sebelius responding to questions is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
OHMYGOODNESSS!!!!! Did she look like a total incompent or what? I thought I would die laughing. I am not a lawyer but I knew every one of those cases and got 100% on the answers too! Did you love her comment that the reason the government can't tell religions how to practice is "separation of church and state." The woman is a blithering idiot. I can't believe she was the Governor of what I think is a relatively sane state. This video needs to go viral. Hope Romney uses it in his ads...is THIS the quality of people you want to see running a huge portion of the government? I mean good heavens....I was howling by the end of it.

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Old Apr 26, '12, 3:54 pm
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Why We Have Gone to Court against the Obama Mandate

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...557579424.html
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Old Apr 26, '12, 4:35 pm
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Brutal. It does tell you however how little care or thought, beyond pushing their agenda, goes into making such important decisions.
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Old Apr 26, '12, 4:46 pm
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Brutal. It does tell you however how little care or thought, beyond pushing their agenda, goes into making such important decisions.
This woman is an impediment to Obama's re-election. Why do you think Obama hasn't tossed her under the bus? She's not very smart, she's obviously in over her head, and she presents horribly. The whole Obama Administration is looking more and more like the bar scene in Star Wars.

BTW don't they have to swear to uphold the Constitution when sworn in as Secretary of HHS? Maybe there should be a mandatory reading of the Constitution before every swearing in ceremony so someone has at least a passing acquaintence with it.

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Old Apr 26, '12, 7:22 pm
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This woman is an impediment to Obama's re-election. Why do you think Obama hasn't tossed her under the bus? She's not very smart, she's obviously in over her head, and she presents horribly. The whole Obama Administration is looking more and more like the bar scene in Star Wars.

BTW don't they have to swear to uphold the Constitution when sworn in as Secretary of HHS? Maybe there should be a mandatory reading of the Constitution before every swearing in ceremony so someone has at least a passing acquaintence with it.

Lisa
Oh, I think he selected her quite deliberately for her radical pro-abortion stance, and for being a "useful Catholic" who could be counted on to support his agenda. She was the governor of Kansas, and was counseled privately by three consecutive bishops not to continue to receive communion in view of her very public outspoken pro-choice stance. The final bishop only made the matter public after she forced his hand.

Thomas Frank wrote a book called "What's the Matter With Kansas?", castigating the voters of the state for continuing to elect conservatives. I thought at the time: What's the matter with Kansas? We elected Kathleen Sebelius, for one thing! I wish we hadn't, but I would have been glad to keep her in Kansas rather than give her power to violate our religious liberties as head of HHS.
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Old Apr 26, '12, 8:24 pm
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Oh, I think he selected her quite deliberately for her radical pro-abortion stance, and for being a "useful Catholic" who could be counted on to support his agenda. She was the governor of Kansas, and was counseled privately by three consecutive bishops not to continue to receive communion in view of her very public outspoken pro-choice stance. The final bishop only made the matter public after she forced his hand.

Thomas Frank wrote a book called "What's the Matter With Kansas?", castigating the voters of the state for continuing to elect conservatives. I thought at the time: What's the matter with Kansas? We elected Kathleen Sebelius, for one thing! I wish we hadn't, but I would have been glad to keep her in Kansas rather than give her power to violate our religious liberties as head of HHS.
Excellent point about another "useful Catholic" Obama surrounded himself with a bunch of heretical individuals whose Catholicism is put on and removed like an overcoat. Think about it...Pelosi, Biden, Sebelius among others. I think you're onto something. Obama can claim that "Catholics agree....." about some radical idea he'd like to shove down our throats and pretend he has some kind of Church support.

I had heard that it was a bit of a fluke that Sebelius got elected, that a more conservative candidate had to drop our for family reasons or something unrelated to the campaign. I just remember her as the big advocate of Tiller the Killer. May God have mercy on both of their souls.

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Old Apr 27, '12, 2:39 pm
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Why Religious Liberty Is Important for Institutions

http://blog.acton.org/archives/31618...titutions.html

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Video: Kathleen Sebelius Flunks Religious Liberty 101

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=29538

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Van Damme's Bump and the HHS Mandate

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-a...he-hhs-mandate

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Fr Frank Pavone: Update: Religious Freedom vs HHS Mandate Lawsuit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImcV3y94Aw

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Old Apr 28, '12, 4:38 am
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OHMYGOODNESSS!!!!! Did she look like a total incompent or what? I thought I would die laughing. I am not a lawyer but I knew every one of those cases and got 100% on the answers too! Did you love her comment that the reason the government can't tell religions how to practice is "separation of church and state." The woman is a blithering idiot. I can't believe she was the Governor of what I think is a relatively sane state. This video needs to go viral. Hope Romney uses it in his ads...is THIS the quality of people you want to see running a huge portion of the government? I mean good heavens....I was howling by the end of it.

Lisa
The problem is not only that she didn't research religious liberty issues before she promulgated the mandatory preventive coverage rules.

The problem is that since the rules were challenged in court, she is still not briefed, even in preparation for testimony before Congress, on the salient points and is unable to defend the decision.
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Old Apr 28, '12, 8:16 am
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The problem is not only that she didn't research religious liberty issues before she promulgated the mandatory preventive coverage rules.

The problem is that since the rules were challenged in court, she is still not briefed, even in preparation for testimony before Congress, on the salient points and is unable to defend the decision.
Apparently, Constitutional considerations are not something that they even bother to think about.
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Old Apr 28, '12, 10:45 am
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Apparently, Constitutional considerations are not something that they even bother to think about.
Humphrey Bogart: Oh , yeah, show me your Constitution.

Administration: It's right here, it's ... it's... no, wait, WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' CONSTITUTION!

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Old May 6, '12, 3:38 pm
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Dolon vows to take Obama contraception mandate to Supreme Court

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/d...khTmRBIRg64ACL

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Catholic Company Stands Up for Religious Freedom

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=29660

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Keep Fighting for Freedom of Conscience on Obama Mandate

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/04/30/k...-obama-mandate

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Americans Fight Over 'Conscience Clauses'

http://aclj.org/obamacare/americans-...cience-clauses

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Obama Campaigns on ‘Contraception Coverage, Guaranteed’

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obam...age-guaranteed

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Obama Campaign Contends HHS Contraception Mandate Won’t Cover Abortifacients

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obam...abortifacients

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Nine Lawsuits for Religious Freedom – A Brief Rundown of the Arguments
by Fr. Frank Pavone


http://catholiclane.com/nine-lawsuit...-the-arguments

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Video: David Barton’s Defense of Religious Freedom Earns Him the Top Search on Google!


http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=29712

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Religious freedom expert faults Obama’s prayer proclamation

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=5369

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Public Comments Overwhelmingly Oppose HHS Mandate

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/tim-d...se-hhs-mandate

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Daily Show Jon Stewart FAIL on HHS Mandate

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matth...on-hhs-mandate
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VIDEO: Rep. Gowdy’s Religious Liberty Lesson for Secretary Sebelius

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/04/27/...etary-sebelius
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