On 98% of Catholic women using contraception

[littlebum2002]

"On 98% of Catholic women using contraception
This stat is fatally flawed."


Of course it is. Because that is not the stat. The poll says that 98% of Catholic women have use birth control at one time. You re-worded it to say that 98% of Catholic women are on birth control right now, then went on to say that 98% of Catholic women have been on birth control at some point.

In other words, you agreed completely with what the poll said. You just didn't agree with the incorrect interpretation you gave the poll.

[cjmclark]

Originally Posted by littlebum2002

"On 98% of Catholic women using contraception
This stat is fatally flawed."


Of course it is. Because that is not the stat. The poll says that 98% of Catholic women have use birth control at one time. You re-worded it to say that 98% of Catholic women are on birth control right now, then went on to say that 98% of Catholic women have been on birth control at some point.

In other words, you agreed completely with what the poll said. You just didn't agree with the incorrect interpretation you gave the poll.

You might want to check out the poll and the methodology used to conduct it. Their definition of "Catholic women" is pretty narrow. That's the issue.

[Deus_lo_vult]

Originally Posted by littlebum2002

"On 98% of Catholic women using contraception
This stat is fatally flawed."


Of course it is. Because that is not the stat. The poll says that 98% of Catholic women have use birth control at one time. You re-worded it to say that 98% of Catholic women are on birth control right now, then went on to say that 98% of Catholic women have been on birth control at some point.

In other words, you agreed completely with what the poll said. You just didn't agree with the incorrect interpretation you gave the poll.

I'll assume this was addressed to me, as the OP.

This thread is actually just a response to the popular media line that is not factually accurate, but that nevertheless holds a lot of sway among liberal circles and supporters of the Obama administration. I'm not a liberal pundit hijacking this study, appearing on network news programs and claiming "98% of Catholic women use contraception..."

Just last night on Geraldo At Large Sally Cohn made this claim again, falsely implying that having EVER used contraception constitues a tacit approval and frequent use on the part of Catholic women. Because I vehemently disbelieve in the supposed validity of the claim, I mentioned the origin of the claim, and that it comes from a study conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, an affiliate of Planned Parenthood.

Factually speaking, all the study proved is that heretical Catholics who reject the authority of Church teaching practice a certain condemnable behavior. No brainer at first glance, but that doesn't stop liberals with intellectual street-cred from distorting the findings.

[Iowa7681]

Originally Posted by Deus_lo_vult

I'll assume this was addressed to me, as the OP.

This thread is actually just a response to the popular media line that is not factually accurate, but that nevertheless holds a lot of sway among liberal circles and supporters of the Obama administration. I'm not a liberal pundit hijacking this study, appearing on network news programs and claiming "98% of Catholic women use contraception..."

Just last night on Geraldo At Large Sally Cohn made this claim again, falsely implying that having EVER used contraception constitues a tacit approval and frequent use on the part of Catholic women. Because I vehemently disbelieve in the supposed validity of the claim, I mentioned the origin of the claim, and that it comes from a study conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, an affiliate of Planned Parenthood.

Factually speaking, all the study proved is that heretical Catholics who reject the authority of Church teaching practice a certain condemnable behavior. No brainer at first glance, but that doesn't stop liberals with intellectual street-cred from distorting the findings.

On just about every metric I have seen measured, the Catholic population as a whole tends to mirror the US population, on most every topic. Not precisely of course, but it is a pretty safe bet that if the US population support something at x%, the Catholic population as a whole will be withing a few percentage points. There are exceptions, but I do not think birth control use is one of them. And I agree, 98% is a silly number to claim are actively using, but as the study claim, 98% probably have at one point or another, which is pretty close to the general population. Makes sense.

[Nate13]

Originally Posted by Iowa7681

On just about every metric I have seen measured, the Catholic population as a whole tends to mirror the US population, on most every topic. Not precisely of course, but it is a pretty safe bet that if the US population support something at x%, the Catholic population as a whole will be withing a few percentage points. There are exceptions, but I do not think birth control use is one of them. And I agree, 98% is a silly number to claim are actively using, but as the study claim, 98% probably have at one point or another, which is pretty close to the general population. Makes sense.

Lol possibly but it is incredibly dishonest to use it as a stat with any meaning. It would be like if we were having a discussion on drugs and I said "drugs should be legalized because 98% of people have used some kind of drug before in their life".

[Deus_lo_vult]

Originally Posted by Iowa7681

On just about every metric I have seen measured, the Catholic population as a whole tends to mirror the US population, on most every topic. Not precisely of course, but it is a pretty safe bet that if the US population support something at x%, the Catholic population as a whole will be withing a few percentage points. There are exceptions, but I do not think birth control use is one of them. And I agree, 98% is a silly number to claim are actively using, but as the study claim, 98% probably have at one point or another, which is pretty close to the general population. Makes sense.

I agree but you're missing part of the point. Since Catholics aren't damned for eternity for a single sinful misstep, and since repentance is such a central theme of the Catholic faith, compiling statistical information on women whom have EVER used birth control is bordering on meaningless.

The only valuable statistic is on the number of 'Catholic' women obstinately using contraception with full consent of their will and knowledge of Church teaching.

[Iowa7681]

Originally Posted by Nate13

Lol possibly but it is incredibly dishonest to use it as a stat with any meaning. It would be like if we were having a discussion on drugs and I said "drugs should be legalized because 98% of people have used some kind of drug before in their life".

What is your problem with simple posts I make? Is ANYTHING I said inaccurate? I didn't say "drugs should be legalized because 98% of people have used some kind of drug before in their life"! The question is if the "98%" figure is valid. I said it was only accurate in a specific sense, but my opinion is that birth control usage among Catholics is consistent with the general population. It is incredibly dishonest of YOU to put words in someones mouth!

[Deus_lo_vult]

Originally Posted by Iowa7681

What is your problem with simple posts I make? Is ANYTHING I said inaccurate? I didn't say "drugs should be legalized because 98% of people have used some kind of drug before in their life"! The question is if the "98%" figure is valid. I said it was only accurate in a specific sense, but my opinion is that birth control usage among Catholics is consistent with the general population. It is incredibly dishonest of YOU to put words in someones mouth!

Relax...as to the claim of dishonesty, I think he was referring to the organization that authored the study, the Alan Guttmacher Institute, or the liberal pundits recycling the pseudo-fact.

[Iowa7681]

Originally Posted by Deus_lo_vult

I agree but you're missing part of the point. Since Catholics aren't damned for eternity for a single sinful misstep, and since repentance is such a central theme of the Catholic faith, compiling statistical information on women whom have EVER used birth control is bordering on meaningless.

The only valuable statistic is on the number of 'Catholic' women obstinately using contraception with full consent of their will and knowledge of Church teaching.

Well, I do think I understand that point. Which is why I was speaking only to credibility of the stat, which I think I was clear on. Regardless, I agree with you.

But, I would venture to guess that the way you worded your last sentence would still lead to a rate that was similar to the population as a whole. Just a guess, but I think its a pretty safe one.

[Iowa7681]

Originally Posted by Deus_lo_vult

Relax...as to the claim of dishonesty, I think he was referring to the organization that authored the study, the Alan Guttmacher Institute, or the liberal pundits recycling the pseudo-fact.

Also:

Ahhh, could be. My bad, Nate has been following me and disagreeing else where. Too feisty.

[Iowa7681]

Originally Posted by Iowa7681

What is your problem with simple posts I make? Is ANYTHING I said inaccurate? I didn't say "drugs should be legalized because 98% of people have used some kind of drug before in their life"! The question is if the "98%" figure is valid. I said it was only accurate in a specific sense, but my opinion is that birth control usage among Catholics is consistent with the general population. It is incredibly dishonest of YOU to put words in someones mouth!

Redacted... need to sleep...

[Nate13]

Originally Posted by Iowa7681

What is your problem with simple posts I make? Is ANYTHING I said inaccurate? I didn't say "drugs should be legalized because 98% of people have used some kind of drug before in their life"! The question is if the "98%" figure is valid. I said it was only accurate in a specific sense, but my opinion is that birth control usage among Catholics is consistent with the general population. It is incredibly dishonest of YOU to put words in someones mouth!

Lol I was semi agreeing with you actually in my post. My point was against people in the news who are using it as if it means something. I was not insinuating that you were doing so, although if that is what you thought I was doing forgive me for that was not my intention.

Ahhh, could be. My bad, Nate has been following me and disagreeing else where. Too feisty.

I was in those threads first! Your following me

[iloveangels]

Originally Posted by Nate13

Lol I was semi agreeing with you actually in my post. My point was against people in the news who are using it as if it means something. I was not insinuating that you were doing so, although if that is what you thought I was doing forgive me for that was not my intention.

I was in those threads first! Your following me

NO! You're all following me. But I'm following somebody else.

[Gordon Sims]

Originally Posted by littlebum2002

"On 98% of Catholic women using contraception
This stat is fatally flawed."


Of course it is. Because that is not the stat. The poll says that 98% of Catholic women have use birth control at one time. You re-worded it to say that 98% of Catholic women are on birth control right now, then went on to say that 98% of Catholic women have been on birth control at some point.

In other words, you agreed completely with what the poll said. You just didn't agree with the incorrect interpretation you gave the poll.

No, the poll does not say that. It says that 98% of the sexually active women aged 15-44 who identified themselves as Catholics, don't want to get pregnant and weren't disqualified by the vague standards applied to the group sampled do not use natural family planning. It doesn't even say that those 98% use artificial birth control, because 11% of them said they use nothing at all, and 4% claimed "other," whatever that means. It's a completely invalid stat taken from an invalid study and is being completely misrepresented by the liberals, the media and the Obama administration.

[kama3]

Originally Posted by Hokomai

A reality check from someone who has no emotional tie to the Church's position: this poll is well-conducted by a partisan organisation. It can prehaps be challenged on this basis, bit it seems to me not on the methodology itself.

The original PDF should be easier to read: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/Relig...eptive-Use.pdf