Wife becoming Protestant, I'm staying Catholic - Page 3

CMatt25 · #31 Feb 14, '12, 9:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Luvtosew

I don't feel rebuking a spouse is a good thing, don't let her read this thread, or she might never come back to the Church. God Bless, pray for her, be gentle and loving, and give her space. And leave the family photos up please, don't make things worst.

I agree. Depends on which posts of the thread though.

hudson · #32 Feb 14, '12, 9:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Yehuda Dion

I agree with Hudson. Talk your wife into re-entering the Catholic faith, but if she will not you have a duty as a Catholic to use all reasonable force as the husband and head of your family to FORCE her back into the Catholic faith. Her soul is in serious danger as there can be no leaving the Catholic church once one has been baptised into it. By doing so she is rejecting the Apostolic succession established by our Lord Jesus himself through Saint Peter.

I think you and I are not exactly on the same page. I think she should be told the truth, but it is up to her to either turn away or accept it. At that point you as a husband did your best to try and save her soul. At that time, prayer is your best hope and being able to give a defense anytime she questions your faith.

**Eric Hilbert** · #33 Feb 15, '12, 4:22 am

Stick to the topic of the OP please

Luvtosew · #34 Feb 15, '12, 4:52 am

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Originally Posted by hudson

One of the Six Sins Against the Holy Spirit is the presumption of Gods mercy. You cannot do what you want in life and presume that God will just save you. Someone that willfully leaves the Church founded by Christ is much more culpable than someone brought up in complete ignorance of the the truth. She is willfully rejecting the Bride of Christ in the Catholic Church and the Sacraments instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church?

Hudson,
I never knew there were 6 sins against the HS, can you tell me where in the Bible I can read this. Thank you.

AbideWithMe · #35 Feb 15, '12, 5:20 am

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Originally Posted by Luvtosew

I don't feel rebuking a spouse is a good thing, don't let her read this thread, or she might never come back to the Church. God Bless, pray for her, be gentle and loving, and give her space. And leave the family photos up please, don't make things worst.

**Zooey** · #36 Feb 15, '12, 6:58 am

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Originally Posted by Publisher

Friend, it must be a difficut situation for you to have your spouse chose another faith tradition.

You have received some very good advice and some very BAD advice. You do not need to drive a deep wedge between your wife and yourself....show compassion and love...DO NOT RESORT to petty "examples" such as removing family pictures simply because she wishes to remove your religious pictures to seek to teach your wife a lesson.

You would do much to heal any breech by continuing to be a loving husband...."as Christ loves the church and gave himself for her."

I will hold you and your wife in the Light.....pray and continue to be a loving and faithful husband....."something" must have drawn her away from your faith tradition...perhaps if you find out the "why's and wherefore's" you may have a better idea to heal this wound.

hudson · #37 Feb 15, '12, 7:32 am

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Originally Posted by Luvtosew

Hudson,
I never knew there were 6 sins against the HS, can you tell me where in the Bible I can read this. Thank you.

Excuse you, 2 Catholics were speaking. Can you show me in the Bible where the tradition of sola scriptura is stated? Can you show me in the Bible where the table of contents are? Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus left a book to teach from and not a Church? Can you explain how a Church you believe has no authority, has authority to compile a book and proclaim its infallibility? You then believe in the infallibility of this book, but deny most other teachings coming from this same authority. Can you explain how early Christians taught sola scriptura from a book that did not yet exist? Can you explain how individual Christians practiced sola scriptura without a printing press being invented for more than 1400 years? Thank you.

CatholicFireman · #38 Feb 15, '12, 7:38 am

From my experience with people I know that left the Catholic Church to join "non-denominational Christian centers" it always struck me as a cop out. A lot of the "too many rules" excuses. Sorry your wife is going down this dismal road. I pray the children don't follow her.

Sorry to be brutally honest, but that's my take on it.

Luvtosew · #39 Feb 15, '12, 8:14 am

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Originally Posted by hudson

Excuse you, 2 Catholics were speaking. Can you show me in the Bible where the tradition of sola scriptura is stated? Can you show me in the Bible where the table of contents are? Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus left a book to teach from and not a Church? Can you explain how a Church you believe has no authority, has authority to compile a book and proclaim its infallibility? You then believe in the infallibility of this book, but deny most other teachings coming from this same authority. Can you explain how early Christians taught sola scriptura from a book that did not yet exist? Can you explain how individual Christians practiced sola scriptura without a printing press being invented for more than 1400 years? Thank you.

Oh excuse me. I'm Catholic also, so I'm not sure what you mean by 2 Catholics were speaking. I would like to know where I can read about the 6 sins of the HS that you mentioned.

Aren't you being quite defensive, what would it matter if I were Protestant and asked you that question. Is that the way you would of answered them, if so why would they even think of becoming a Catholic like youl.

hudson · #40 Feb 15, '12, 8:48 am

You asked where it is found in the Bible. Everything Catholics believe does not have to be found word for word in the bible. If you want to read about the 6 sins of the Holy Spirit you could check out the 1962 Missal, the current Missal, various prayer books like Blessed Be God, google, etc. Why did you not ask me "where can I read about these" instead of "where in the Bible can I read these." I was defensive because you came at me like it must be in the Bible to be valid. Sorry if that was not your intention.

Luvtosew · #41 Feb 15, '12, 8:53 am

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Originally Posted by hudson

You asked where it is found in the Bible. Everything Catholics believe does not have to be found word for word in the bible. If you want to read about the 6 sins of the Holy Spirit you could check out the 1962 Missal, the current Missal, various prayer books like Blessed Be God, google, etc. Why did you not ask me "where can I read about these" instead of "where in the Bible can I read these." I was defensive because you came at me like it must be in the Bible to be valid. Sorry if that was not your intention.

Thank you and God Bless.

hudson · #42 Feb 15, '12, 9:03 am

Yeah i should not have started my reply to you like I did. Its to late to take it back, but I am sorry for assuming the worst. Take care.

Erich · #43 Feb 15, '12, 12:45 pm

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Originally Posted by pabloSD

I know there's salvation outside of the Catholic Church. The Catechism says so, too.

Actually, what the Catechism says is the following:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

Luvtosew · #44 Feb 15, '12, 1:00 pm

The CCC gives a double message, Muslins, Jews, Hindus, etc can be saved , but not Christians outside the RCC. thats the way I read it.

mitex · #45 Feb 15, '12, 1:35 pm

Protestants are classed as Christians. So what your saying we have a bunch of Christians (Several billion protestants) going to hell?

Not very ecumenical of us