Republican Primary

[Rence]

Originally Posted by bbarrick8383

Ever since I saw the clip of Santorum arguing that the government created 240 million jobs rather than 270 million, I've been leery about his intelligence and honesty. Then I just heard him say that he personnaly opposes contraception but has the record to prove that he's always voted in favor of funding it both domestically and internationally.

Yes, I was suprised that so many Catholics on CAF said he was ultra conservative because on CNN this week he said he's always voted in favor of funding ABCs both domestically and internationally. So I guess he's not as conservative as some people think he is?

[JimR-OCDS]

Originally Posted by Alan55

Community organizers work with the poor and powerless to improve their lives. They don't make much money in the process. "Political consultants" like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum work with the rich and powerful to enable them to become even richer and more powerful and get paid millions of dollars to do so.

I'm sorry, but please explain to me why I should prefer a political consultant as president versus a former community organizer?

True. In addition to this fact, upon graduating top in his class from Harvard Law, Obama was offered big bucks to go and work for law firms in NYC.


Jim

[Luigi Daniele]

Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS

True. In addition to this fact, upon graduating top in his class from Harvard Law, Obama was offered big bucks to go and work for law firms in NYC.


Jim

How do you know he finished top of his class? He refuses to release his transcripts. Or did I miss something?

[gilliam]

The Susan B. Anthony List, the pro-life PAC, endorses Rick Santorum for president today. “Among the field of strong pro-life candidates in the GOP primary, one stands out as a proven leader in this great human and civil rights cause of our time,” SBA List Marjorie Dannenfelser, says in the announcement statement.
Jane Abraham, chairman of the board there, notes: “Each one of the candidates in the Republican presidential field have made a commitment to be a pro-life president. However, none of them have the record of consistent leadership that Rick Santorum has demonstrated.”

[gnjsdad]

Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

Unrestricted, unlimited abortion - what Obama supports - is only supported by a minority of Americans, even self described pro choicers want restrictions on abortion, as seen by polls by Gallup and CNN. It's stated by Gallup: most Americans take the pro life position that abortion should be either legal in no circumstances or legal in a few circumstances, Gallup does not specify those circumstances, but it is likely cases of rape and incest.

I think Rick Santorum's view on abortion is closer to the majority of Americans than Obama's view.

This is exactly why Obama has picked this fight over contraception; not abortion.

This is being done to stoke up Obama's base. Also, there is a longer term strategy in play. Should Romney or Santorum get elected in November, they will have gotten the message not to push their "social issues" agenda. After all, they will want to get other things done first and, if they remain true to Republican form, they will back down on the contraception fight for that reason. The last thing President Santorum or President Romney will want is to get bogged down in a fight with the Democrats over contraception when there will be "more important" things to get to.

[mary bobo]

Originally Posted by Luigi Daniele

How do you know he finished top of his class? He refuses to release his transcripts. Or did I miss something?

The MSM told us he did, so it must be true.

[Michael C]

Originally Posted by SamH

Source?

Not hard to find.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/santorum-and-the-chiropractor-lawsuit/

[Luigi Daniele]

Originally Posted by mary bobo

The MSM told us he did, so it must be true.

[Thomas B.]

Originally Posted by mlund

No. Rick Santorum knows it is wrong to use the government to force people to not use contraception. It is wrong, but it is a personal decision that does not impact anyone else's liberty.

That's a huge, stark contrast with abortion, which is a form of murder - someone deliberately taking an innocent life. That's exactly the kind of thing just law is supposed to prevent.



Exactly.

- Marty Lund

But aren't certain types of birth control such as the birth control pill considered abortifacient. That is, that prohibit an egg from implanting on a uterine wall or kill off an implanted egg. I don't know, you are probably more knowledgeable about all of this than I am. I guess I am just surprised that given the Church's stance on contraception that he appears to have a permissive posture on the topic (i.e. I *personally* don't believe in it, but respect other's rights to do it) as opposed to abortion where there is a clear line. Knowing how much of an orthodox Catholic Santorum is, it is difficult for me to see how his position is not a political compromise since he so very clearly opposes contraception.

[He Man]

Originally Posted by Alan55

Community organizers work with the poor and powerless to improve their lives. They don't make much money in the process. "Political consultants" like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum work with the rich and powerful to enable them to become even richer and more powerful and get paid millions of dollars to do so.

I'm sorry, but please explain to me why I should prefer a political consultant as president versus a former community organizer?

Because the community organizer is terrible at being President?

[He Man]

Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS

Santorum has much baggage to feed the oposition in this election.

One, his record while in Congress of voting for two pay increases, while voting against unemployment extensions.

Second, I just read this one today and it's in his wife's book, when she was pregnant at 20 weeks, she developed an infection which sent her temp up to 105 defgrees. This triggered premature labor, in which she was given a drug to speed up delivery. The child was of course born dead, not being able to survive birth at just 20 weeks. The Santorum's brought the dead baby home with them to show their other children, and the couple slept with the dead baby that night.

The story seems macabre, but apparently true for it was written by Mrs Santorum,


Jim

You grieve your way, they grieve theirs. There is more to the story and the motivations, if you read about it.

And much less macabre than favoring child murder so your daughters wouldn't be punished with a baby, isn't it?

[Luigi Daniele]

Originally Posted by Thomas B.

But aren't certain types of birth control such as the birth control pill considered abortifacient. .

All of them are. The OC's (oral contraceptives --the pill) secondarily work by preventing implantation of a fertilized egg (ie, a human being) 1-2 times on average during a woman's "lifetime" use of them.

[ishii]

Originally Posted by bbarrick8383

Ever since I saw the clip of Santorum arguing that the government created 240 million jobs rather than 270 million, I've been leery about his intelligence and honesty. Then I just heard him say that he personnaly opposes contraception but has the record to prove that he's always voted in favor of funding it both domestically and internationally.

When did he say that he personally opposes contraception but has always voted for funding it? I'm not denying he said that, but would like to see the actual quote.


Ishii

[Thomas B.]

Originally Posted by Rence

Yes, I was suprised that so many Catholics on CAF said he was ultra conservative because on CNN this week he said he's always voted in favor of funding ABCs both domestically and internationally. So I guess he's not as conservative as some people think he is?

Wow, I didn't realize he actually voted for funding for contraceptives. But just reinforces the point I was making. Hard to see how this is not a moral conundrum for Santorum. He personally opposes contraceptives but is willing to shell out (vote for) money to pay for them? I think Santorum has a conservative record overall, but it just seems clear to me that he has compromised on this issue probably due to the fact that contraceptive use is so prevalent in the US. But hey, it's politics and I guess this is how it works. That's why I would never in a million years think of getting into it.

[ishii]

Originally Posted by scipio337

Having a newsletter ghostwritten for you = "real job!"

Which Ron Paul apparently never read - especially the racist parts. Heck of a job he had there.

Ishii